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what happened

someone elaborate

nothing it was a normal open house

I think OP is asking because of the garthe_bear/resident stuff to see if maybe it was addressed or something, just some old school chai latte in these trying times

oh interesting, yeah it wasn't addressed

as an intern i need more drama like cmon

lol the garthe bear thing wasn't enough huh

< last year drama was so good

dont worry it picks up as the cycle starts. There already is some spicy stuff here

someone catch me up, what is the garthe bear situation??

what is garthe bear i missed that

it's just a 4 rows below, racist cleveland clinic resident. Look up @garthe_bear on instagram

it's literally just a few rows below, go read it

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This is the guy that was dermpath (path route) and is now doing Derm? Don't know him at all but the allegations would have to be serious/substantiated by more than a random instagram post to expect CCF to do anything?

idk him either but post seems legit with evidence (voicemails, pictures of texts he has sent etc)

voicemails??

seems legit, post has a recording of him saying the n-word + text mesages talking about wanting to marry his non-white co-residents (who are already married) with names included. feel bad for co-residents if its real

The proof looks too detailed to not be real... honestly kinda embarassing for him. (And glad she spread the word... who talks about their female co-residents like that?)

Ho

are they doing anything? wouldn't really wanna apply to a program that endorses that

I feel bad for the female residents specifically named in his messages. Also would not want any woman to have to be cores with him

Why is Jefferson so low on the doximity reputation list? Is it a bad program/bad training?> no idea about doximity but its an excellent well respected program> another reason why Doximity is bs

I think doximity is sollid for the top 10-15 ish programs but after that it kinda goes downhill and has inaccurate info. For example it says CCF has like 20 residents but actually there are 12. It's entirely based on program reputation so I think after the top 10-15 it's kinda a wash.

I do think Jeffersons reputation has not been as solid the past 5-10 yrs (lost many faculty), but definitely a decade or so ago it was thought of as one of the best

rankings are overrated just go where youll be most happy

Imagine using rankings to decide which schools you want to go to lmao

rankings are overrated go where youll be most happy

agreed that its very well respected (not from philly area but that is still the reputation i have heard)

Why is Jefferson so low on the doximity reputation list? Is it a bad program/bad training?> no idea about doximity but its an excellent well respected program> agreed that its very well respected (not from philly area but that is still the reputation i have heard)

I think doximity is sollid for the top 10-15 ish programs but after that it kinda goes downhill and has inaccurate info. For example it says CCF has like 20 residents but actually there are 12. It's entirely based on program reputation so I think after the top 10-15 it's kinda a wash.

I do think Jeffersons reputation has not been as solid the past 5-10 yrs (lost many faculty), but definitely a decade or so ago it was thought of as one of the best

rankings are overrated go where youll be most happy

Imagine using rankings to decide which schools you want to go to lmao

Honestly I don;t know how to feel about this. On one hand I bet they are incredibly accomplished people, but can't the same be said about so many US MD/DOs that didn't match? I know of one who matched at a T5 last year and they did a lot of research with their new program, so there's definetely a component of nepotism there (but why can't US MD/DOs also get that?). I do know that they tend to score incredibly high on STEP 2 (like 270+, know an IMG from a few years ago who scored like 290), so perhaps academics love these huge scores.

So many highly qualified US MDs/DOs didnt match and that's the part that upsets me

To continue, I also feel it is not very equitable, usually to do these IMG research years and rotations you have to be pretty well off financially. I know so many AMAZING US MD/DO candidates who didn't match and they feel it was because they couldn't afford a research year or multiple away rotations.

50% of CCF's class are IMGs>LOL damn, thats tough

Isn't it only like around 7 IMGs? I matched this cycle (US MD) and personally know a couple of them. They are beyond exceptional applicants all around

LOL damn, thats tough

you guys have to be kidding. what do you mean it is not equitable? have you looked at the general demographic of all dermatology residents in this country? first, it was only like 7 that matched. these people have left their home country, some have taken multiple years off to become competitive, navigated USMLE boards in a non-native language, and have worked their butts off to set themselves up for success.. it is very well deserved. i agree unfortunately many qualified US applicants don’t make it and that’s certainly sad but two things can be true. nepotism implies lack of merit which is just not the case for these applicants.

I think equitable implies some US MD/DOs would have the time and money to be able to do all of that, which most dont.

yeah the convo was about financial equitability

It’s the same both ways. Many US MD/DOs don’t have the resources to pursue RYs/aways, and many IMGs also don’t. Some IMGs are able to afford the time/money, and also many US MD/DOs are taking RYs and doing more aways.

50% of CCF's class are IMGs

Isn't it only like around 7 IMGs? I matched this cycle (US MD) and personally know a couple of them. They are beyond exceptional applicants all around Tons of qualified people who didnt match all around. It's all just a bloodbath

yeah just speaking from experience, I was US MD that could not afford to do an away

im usmd, matched last year, very poor background but I took out extra loans and made sure to spend less on other things to do aways and apply to all the programs. some of it was wasted sure but part of being financially educated is knowing what to invest in or not. not saying youre not, but just putting it out there for future people. i hate that i spent so much unnecesary money but i dont regret it

yeah i def regret not investing in it. lost out on 2 great schools that didn't even consider my app because I didn't do aways

NepalWorld?

CCF,you do a month of environmental Derm including patch testing

loyola --> uic --> cook county ; I agree. Anything is better than Cook County lol (source: rotated there)

oh dang >this made me decide not to rank prelims after derm in my primary list NGL. I'm already shelling out extra smh

imaging risking effing up your career over a couple hundred bucks or so…lol

i feel ok w my # of derm ranks so also not ranking prelim after. some ppl will do that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

me when im cocky

I mean idk if it's cocky if they got like 20 interviews i would also prob feel comf and not shell out to rank prelims (reader, i did NOT get 20 interviews haha)

isn't there a rule on not doing more than 4 weeks of derm during pgy-1? i may be wrong

no lol> yes you are wrong, CCF has 13 weeks of dermatology in their categorical internship year.

Wait

if someone offered you a cook county spot rn would you take it or would you wait to see if you matched on match day>take it> this program has SO many problems and is not a good place to train, proceed with caution

Wait

he lawsuit alleges the resident faced retaliation after reporting he witnessed one of the Mohs surgeons physically abuse an 88-year-old patient when he became frustrated during a case.

You guys really have no clue how hard it is for a resident to get dismissed. Any resident who was dismissed from a program likely had major issues either in or outside of medicine or both. No program wants to dismiss a resident, even a mediocre or bad one.

Stop vaguely referencing the lawsuit and just tell us the allegations or give the case title so we can actually look it up pls

chat saying: In the civil case captioned Adam Garibay v. Cook County, Steven Aks, and David Othman, the plaintiff’s complaint centers on wrongful conduct by his employer following his reporting of alleged misconduct by another doctor. According to the publicly-available case summary: Wrongful termination and retaliation: Garibay alleges that Cook County (his employer) terminated his employment in retaliation after he reported alleged misconduct by Dr. Krunic. The alleged misconduct he reported included physical abuse of a patient by Dr. Krunic. The complaint asserts that Garibay’s reporting of that alleged abuse and related issues was a protected act, and that defendants retaliated against him instead of addressing the alleged misconduct. >> Holyyyyy shit. what that's crazy

not unless you're cook county or Stanford

"you have no clue how hard it is for a resident to get dismissed" assumes that the program tried to keep the resident as long as possible.

it doesn't…it implies that the resident did something egregious

it seems very odd that this resident had already completed an entire residency and matched derm despite that, presumably requiring strong connections mentors support etc and now himself is suing CC. everything is alleged and maybe he did something horrible but the entire pictures looks bad on CC not the resident, especially when you see what he's suing them for

Stanford did NOT dismiss a resident, they elected to leave. not saying it isn't problematic that someone wanted to leave, but it's not the same thing as getting fired

fame and shame, 2 columns to the right of shame

bless u

so what happened? you have to subscribe to see anything> I put the end of the url "adam-garibay-vs-cook-county-steven-aks-david-othman" into chat and had it plain language summary me... looks like hes claiming retalition for him reporting something... sus on CC

i feel like if i don't match i'm trying for prelim and switching to IM categorical- Derm is my DREAM, but i've been in this process a long time and need to move forward with my life

Last yr, I matched as a re-applicant after done my prelim at the place which has a derm program. I also had 2 fellowship offers as a backup, which I am pretty sure I would match derm after the fellowship.

just wait til you discover the cook county lawsuit and find out why he was allegedly dismissed. this programs history is so suspect you better have quite the conviction to rank highly

why was he allegedly dismissed?

wow what do you have to do to get dismissed?

Looked up the cook county PGY3 that got dismissed. Very sad that this can happen. How are people getting dismissed from derm programs? Have heard of many residents now getting dismissed, for example at Mount Sinai recently too

>UH, Stanford too

How do you find this information?

word of mouth. although not sure about each person's specific circumstances.

this post needs to be pinned. there are residents getting fired from programs and its too risky to be around unstable faculty who can ruin your career

multiple residents also left this program!