Cook County Health and Hosps Sys-IL

loyola --> uic --> cook county ; I agree. Anything is better than Cook County lol (source: rotated there)

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if someone offered you a cook county spot rn would you take it or would you wait to see if you matched on match day>take it> this program has SO many problems and is not a good place to train, proceed with caution

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he lawsuit alleges the resident faced retaliation after reporting he witnessed one of the Mohs surgeons physically abuse an 88-year-old patient when he became frustrated during a case.

You guys really have no clue how hard it is for a resident to get dismissed. Any resident who was dismissed from a program likely had major issues either in or outside of medicine or both. No program wants to dismiss a resident, even a mediocre or bad one.

Stop vaguely referencing the lawsuit and just tell us the allegations or give the case title so we can actually look it up pls

chat saying: In the civil case captioned Adam Garibay v. Cook County, Steven Aks, and David Othman, the plaintiff’s complaint centers on wrongful conduct by his employer following his reporting of alleged misconduct by another doctor. According to the publicly-available case summary: Wrongful termination and retaliation: Garibay alleges that Cook County (his employer) terminated his employment in retaliation after he reported alleged misconduct by Dr. Krunic. The alleged misconduct he reported included physical abuse of a patient by Dr. Krunic. The complaint asserts that Garibay’s reporting of that alleged abuse and related issues was a protected act, and that defendants retaliated against him instead of addressing the alleged misconduct. >> Holyyyyy shit. what that's crazy

not unless you're cook county or Stanford

"you have no clue how hard it is for a resident to get dismissed" assumes that the program tried to keep the resident as long as possible.

it doesn't…it implies that the resident did something egregious

it seems very odd that this resident had already completed an entire residency and matched derm despite that, presumably requiring strong connections mentors support etc and now himself is suing CC. everything is alleged and maybe he did something horrible but the entire pictures looks bad on CC not the resident, especially when you see what he's suing them for

Stanford did NOT dismiss a resident, they elected to leave. not saying it isn't problematic that someone wanted to leave, but it's not the same thing as getting fired

fame and shame, 2 columns to the right of shame

bless u

so what happened? you have to subscribe to see anything> I put the end of the url "adam-garibay-vs-cook-county-steven-aks-david-othman" into chat and had it plain language summary me... looks like hes claiming retalition for him reporting something... sus on CC

i feel like if i don't match i'm trying for prelim and switching to IM categorical- Derm is my DREAM, but i've been in this process a long time and need to move forward with my life

Last yr, I matched as a re-applicant after done my prelim at the place which has a derm program. I also had 2 fellowship offers as a backup, which I am pretty sure I would match derm after the fellowship.

just wait til you discover the cook county lawsuit and find out why he was allegedly dismissed. this programs history is so suspect you better have quite the conviction to rank highly

why was he allegedly dismissed?

wow what do you have to do to get dismissed?

Looked up the cook county PGY3 that got dismissed. Very sad that this can happen. How are people getting dismissed from derm programs? Have heard of many residents now getting dismissed, for example at Mount Sinai recently too

>UH, Stanford too

How do you find this information?

word of mouth. although not sure about each person's specific circumstances.

this post needs to be pinned. there are residents getting fired from programs and its too risky to be around unstable faculty who can ruin your career

multiple residents also left this program!

It's on thalamus!

resident here, it would help if you gave some more info - throw a couple of names out or regions. Because what specific high tier are we talking about and what community program?

mostly debating NYU/Yale vs a smaller Chicago program

This is just my opinion, but I would go with NYU/Yale personally. NYU>>> for me though because it's a much better location. If we're talking Rush, UIC, Loyola then it would be fine to go there. But if it is cook county I definitely wouldnt recommend it.

NYU rocks

OP here, thanks everyone! have lots to think about (it's not cook county, so I guess need to do some reflection on how strongly I feel about academics)

doxxing students # of aways is not the answer lmao im sure if you were accepted to 3+ aways and they all fit in your schedule you would have done them too

I suspect the more this becomes an arms race, the more restrictions will be implemented. It’ll just reach a point where so many people apply to aways that it’s not sustainable, and then doing an away will simply not mean anything anymore.

POOP

i disagree. follow the rules

rules are dumb this is a zero sum game. Why would i cost myself an opportunity to rotate and potentially match at a program in favor of helping some random person out. Not to mention the fact that people who do research years or have connections prior to aways already have a separate advantage

honestly it'll depend on how strict your home program is, some home programs are quite adamant about only doing 2 aways, in which case you don't want to burn a bridge with your home program by going against your home PD guidance and doing more than that - if you don't have a home program/they don't care, I suppose go ahead and do as many as you want/can

reminder that the "max 2 away" guideline is a GUIDELINE, not a rule!

2/3 of my aways said when they check your rotations, they'll ding you (in whatever capacity) for going over

4/4 of mine did not even ask lol

all 3 of my aways asked where else I was rotating - obviously you could lie, but I'm not a great liar lol

a PD I worked with told me if he found out an applicant was breaking the APD guidelines for aways, they wouldn't consider the applicant same for all 3 of mine. (Northeast)

doing an away will always help bc it helps programs put a face to the name (unless you have no social skills/don't make a positive in person impression), it's just that it's becoming harder and harder to get them and some people hog them (ex., have heard of some MD students doing 7-8 aways) while others are struggling to even get 1 away

But it’s becoming more common that programs don’t prioritize away rotators, e.g. UTMB no longer guaranteeing interviews for away rotators

Presumably you still have a higher chance of matching as an away rotator who got an interview, than someone who got an interview with no connections though. I think people forget that aways are essentially a month long interview and they get to know you better than a half day formal interview. I know personally I would prefer no interview to a guaranteed courtesy interview for all aways. Like if for whatever reason they decided they weren't going to interview/rank you after spending a month there, I don't think a half day of interviews will change their mind much?

people fixate on number of interviews when it should be about quality, if an away program interviews everyone but is only going to rank half of those rotators high enough to potentially match, it benefits both the program and applicant for them to not guarantee interviews

Not on their website but I've heard cook county has a step cut off that's decently high (it's 260).

UF wants at least top 50%

tea.>>+! must be good tea

250+ step 2, mix of honors / high pass, maybe a first author pub or two (actual journal articles) or at least a few co-authors. The rest is networking >ily ty

Been told 240s is soft cutoff but they prefer 250+

240s soft for most programs, some are 250s cut off so just get 250 to be safe>facts heard 250 to 260 is ideal. <250 is tough

I think cook county has the highest publicly disclosed cutoff at 250

cook county has a minimum step 2 ck cutoff of 250 lmfao

How do you find this information?

word of mouth. although not sure about each person's specific circumstances.

this post needs to be pinned. there are residents getting fired from programs and its too risky to be around unstable faculty who can ruin your career

just wait til you discover the cook county lawsuit and find out why he was allegedly dismissed. this programs history is so suspect you better have quite the conviction to rank highly

wow what do you have to do to get dismissed?