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that's exactly what I'm seeing :(

They're open now!

Does anyone see the social events for MGH peds?

thank u for the wisdom! wondering what u think about # of weeks of nightloat or other considerations other than the ones you listed that we should be asking about

even if you have to do an ICU or Surgery rotation it might be chill....like my surgery was only one day a week clinic for an hour and in the OR for cases like once a week for an hour.. no nights on ICU. most days got out at 11AM-12PM.

spill the program

What is a good # for inpatient months?

3-4. Look for programs that have multiple months of electives, you can take derm/rheum/ID/plastics etc. all will help with PGY2

Alternate viewpoint: many of these "chill" TYs are in the absolute middle of nowhere and yeah theres a lot of chill elective time but there is LITERALLY nothing to do. as someone who is currently single and closer to 30 than 20... not sure I'd want to waste a year of my life in north dakota or whatever

going to a harvard affiliate may help for branding purposes think "harvard trained derm" on socials

hilarious, sad

if you went to a harvard affiliate for a TY and are calling yourself a harvard trained derm you're just as bad as the linkedin masses who took online electives with harvard extension and brand themselves with harvard

lmao what

please don't do this

Harvard (TY) + Yale (MBA) trained derm would go dummy hard on tik tok

<< hopefully people like this get found out in the interview what a loser mentality

if you went to a harvard affiliate for a TY and are calling yourself a harvard trained derm you're just as bad as the linkedin masses who took online electives with harvard extension and brand themselves with harvard <- if I get one of those boston TYs i'm calling myself a harvard derm idc

the internet rewards foolish go getters lol

i think most matched derm applicants are coming from MD schools and don't know the hidden gem chill TY in desirable areas, but they exist and are mostly filled with DO applicants who rotated there during med school

there are chill TYs in more rural northeast areas that are a reasonable drive away from civilization

No, they are separate programs

i think they are getting more at is not getting the harvard prelims indicative of anything about the competitiveness of their app...and i wouldn't think too much into it im sure the prelim process is much different than derm

... do you know the reputation of harvard IM or... it's malignant man. wouldn't say that the prelims are an easy experience. prob have to interview more ppl than you think

it's a separate application too

Is BIDMC prelim IM program a separate interview from the BIDMC Brockton TY program?

it's a separate application too

i got 2 seperate emails

ty!

i heard he's really nice mentor - imo it's so competitive though doing a RY at Harvard or any of the large groups with multiple RY students. Unless you're coming from T5 I would try to establish another primary research mentor outside of T5 and the large groups. (this is general advice from observing how outside RY students fare within these places)

do his mentees match well?

no

There are people like this in many big name institutions. You just need to do your due diligence. Ruby Ghadially @UCSF generally takes 1-2 people a year and everyone that she has mentored matches well.

Nambudiri is excellent, srsly stop getting advice from this spreadsheet...

this is the person from C - I didn't say no lol. so yeah anyway uhm nambudiri is awesome, I second the commenter in G!

PI is excellent but the internet is free... go look at his stuedents outcomes

this isn't directed at Nambu just generally.. i will say please do not base your decision to do RY with mentor solely on student outcomes. Please talk to prior RY students and if you're not put in contact with someone it's prob because the mentor is scared that prior mentee is gonna say something bad about them. working with some people ain't worth the 5-10 years off your life secondary to chronic stress

what does research year have to do with anything, i don't think there are different standards

honestly, >265. I go to a mid tier USMD and most people have above a 260+ applying. It seems to taper at 265 lol. I can't evne imagine what scores people at like Harvard have lol

Is 260 crap nowadays I'm tweaking

no thats not what i meant. I just meant its just standard good, its not impressive anymore. 260 feels like the new 255

is 265 that really of a difference from a 260?

I think so, just anecdotally. I don't know the statistical differences but it really does seem as though 75th percentile (260) is sort of the benchmark for people at my school applying into competitive specialties. Lots in the 260-265 range but it falls off at 265+, those few questions sure make a difference

percentiles have changed slightly as of June (dropping about 5ish percentile ranks, now a 250 is a 44th percentile and 260 is 71st percentile. i was super happy with my score until i saw the new ranks :( not too much different but still made me sad bc everything is just too competitive

You did great! I'm not trying to make a 260 not look impressive, it's just, ur so right, everything is becoming so competitive and board scores are only getting higher, but we are more than numbers. Your story matters! You passed the check mark with flying colors for board scores, so the rest of your application matters now :)

me reading this with a 254 lmao

how cooked are we chat

I'm so upset I got a 260 like i feel like that will be a differentiator at top programs

I mean Harvard's median step 2 is published and its not the highest out of the programs?

260 is still basically at the median for many of the top programs

median still >50% fam

exactly

I'm so upset I got a 260 like i feel like that will be a differentiator at top programs >i get that but this is insane. 260 is os good! be proud of yourself :)

just gonna put it out there that people with 275+ still do not match sometimes. dont worry about it

insufferable fr bleh this whole convo is just yuck

how is this insufferable lmao

I'm sorry but the way you think is why you won't match, it's not that serious

what

fr + 1 i agree. it's just annoying. like chill.

theyre annoyed by it bc theyre projecting...

yes totally projecting lol

fr + 1 i agree. it's just annoying. like chill.>youre choosing to b annoyed by it

it's like how ppl with low MCAT scores get mad at other premeds for being unhappy with their median score

nah it's kinda like it comes off immature and gunner-ish not so much the ppl upset w/ their scores but moreso thinking that higher prestige programs = higher scores like that's the primary factor that matters when determining who becomes a derm

literally no one said that lmfao, no one thinks it's the primary factor for matching into certain programs. It just immensely helps in covering your bases

i'll never understand this obsessesion with "top" programs and the hyperfixation on being competitive for them. Do you guys think this is the only thing that makes someone a good dermatologist? Its giving middle schooler who learned what an ivy league school is

well then continue not understanding, this post is not for you....

Lmao stay mad. This is why we hear stories every year of these students from top schools who go unmatched. They just arent competitive enough for these places to begin with but make their list with mostly reaches and t20 programs. The training at 90% of derm programs is great. All residents use the same resources to study.

It's clear that some top programs have similar training but they also tend to be in the best locations and have the best resources AKA better QOL. That's literally my reason for choosing

Man this thread is sad. I came from one of the top medical schools in the country and when it came to residency I opted for vibes/location. I interviewed at almost all the "top programs" in the country including the one at my medical school. I've never regretted my choice. You need to ask yourself what exactly it is you are chasing? I understand when it comes to medical school as it will help you match. Everyone that finishes dermatology residency ultimately becomes a dermatologist. I would make the argument that even *if* you want to stay in academia, it doesn't matter if you go to a "top 20" residency as so few people stay in academics in our field. Chill out peeps.

yea moreso a comment on how ppl get salty about people being worried about their 260

prob the same people who say "ivy league med school/residency" as if it equates to top program

yea moreso a comment on how ppl get bitter about people being worried about their 260

and some schools dont even specifiy on RE or their own website :(

What about Harvard, Sinai? Residency explorer says: no more than 3, but website says minimum of 3 > personally would use their website as a primary source rather than residency explorer

Why app to Sinai? They give 90% of their spots to internal applicants. Waste of money.

I did not look

keep it, if you get an interview do the rotation, if you dont get an interview then cancel it

agree with this however as a current resident i wish i would have rotated at some of the bigger places to get some more exposure (bc youll likely never get the chance again if u match somewhere smaller). i did not have the extra money to rotate at additional places if not interviewing but if u do, i would consider keeping the rotation regardless for the exposure!

Definitely keep the rotation. Shoot your shot.

OP, FWIW, I also have an away rotation in Nov/Dec because it was the only spot I was able to get. of course I also don't know whether ti'll help re. interviews and such, but thought I'd give it a shot and at the very least get to explore a new city and all.

I turned down this december rotation just bc of interview season but obviously it's a personal decision

he was an impeccable applicant who did multiple rys at great institutions

did a ry with the current derm chair when he was still at umass

he was an impeccable applicant who did multiple rys at great institutions (absolutely agree)

They take a lot of away rotators and fellows so would def consider doing an away if ur interested

Idk what specific answer you’re looking for…. Quality research (first-author, novel research, no bullshit case report/research letter) preferably with faculty at a T5 institution, step score >260, amazing clinical LORs, and something cool, non-med/derm hobby or project on the side. Bonus points if you go to a T5 med school. And even after all of this, pray to the Gods. And then be a cool, normal person at interviews.

does it matter if your resesarch is accepted versus submitted-- for example if im first author on a translational work and its just submitted will this be a huge disadvantage

accepted is better than submitted, but at least you can put submitted on eras

my first-author research was accepted super late like a few days prior to start of derm interviews because mentor didn't care and tried to sabotage :/ I had to bring it up in interviews. Probably hurt my overall interviews but helped a lot to secure match.

there is no specific answer. you could try to google or talk to the residents accepted to these programs but even then you might not even know what secret sauce they have lol. but there's most likely something interesting about each one of them (even if it's personal history, prior career outside medicine). or you might know and not even realize what the programs are valuing.

Lol. Connections. I say this as someone that graduated from a top 5 program, matched derm, and watched a bunch of people with basically equivalent applications end up all over the place. You need to ask yourself why you want a top 5 program? What do you hope to gain? You planning on staying in academic derm? No one cares in the end.

I did that rotation a few years ago (current resident now). It is not a good rotation if you expect to get a letter. You will be bouncing all over the place (MGH and DFCI mostly) working with 10+ different attendings. no continuity whatsoever, I honestly think I would've benefitted better from using that month to do a project with an HMS affiliated faculty rather than doing that rotation.

I did that rotation a few years ago (current resident now). It is not a good rotation if you expect to get a letter. You will be bouncing all over the place (MGH and DFCI mostly) working with 10+ different attendings. no continuity whatsoever, I honestly think I would've benefitted better from using that month to do a project with an HMS affiliated faculty rather than doing that rotation. -->thank u for the input!

dont think so but there's a tab here that lists some and reddit has them too. I would say that don't just go by TY or prelim, you need to go by the schedule since some TYs have worse schedules than prelims. Generally though, prelims are harder but not always. You want somewhere that gives you 5-6 months elective ideally, which actually multiple prelims do. The major difference though is the rest of the year for prelims likely is mostly something IM related, whereas in some TYs the rest of the year may be broken into IM/surgery/EM/OB/etc. You want to AVOID any prelim/TYs that have you in 8-9 months of inpatient/required blocks with minimal elective.

< Thanks! But how/where can i find this information out about programs?

Usually websites do a good job, but many of them are not updated. Some programs are basically categorical medicine years masquerading as prelims (BIDMC for example).

Yea the BIDMC schedule looks terrible

if they say they treat their prelims the same as categorical RUN

eh idk, some programs say that because they don't want you to feel like you'll be left out socially from the categoricals. In reality, you just need to look at the schedule and make sure they dont give you the same exact or worse schedule as the categoricals

Just cause this gets asked here every year, of the 3 main Harvard prelims, BIDMC is definetely the worst. Only 3 - 4 weeks of elective time that has to be done in internal Medicine rotations mostly and can only take 1 week at a time! I have friends who did this program and they finished the year with 8+ months of wards/inpatient services which included at least 4 weeks of VERY intense ICUs. Run if you can..., I did another prelim in Boston and I was not nearly as burned out as my friends at BI were.

i was told by a PD that doing that is a bad look

no offense why would you even want to do this

<<<it would probably be a massive departmen like harvard. OP could theoretically mine letters. However, this would be dumb to do late in the cycle.

no offense why would you even want to do this<first time applying idk shit