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Worry about matching and don't obcess with T5! T5 match seems to be a lot of who you know, though.

anyone know how imgs match into t5 unis, meanwhile so many us applicants are trying to match

they tend to do research years (sometimes multiple) with PIs who have strong pull at their home programs. Of course they have great STEPS and work ethic, but the research years are really what cements a lot of their potential in matching

Yikes, why are we so snarky about IMGs matching. Imagine the goated application they must have had

IMGs will almost exclusively only match derm at a place they've done multiple RYs. This could be a top tier program (e.g. I think Penn, Stanford, Miami have taken some in the past) or not. They very likely grinded very hard and put in some good work and deserve that spot

The best one is the one you like the most (+/- the one in the city you like the most)

This obsession with T5s, jeez. If it makes you happy, great! At the end of the day you will be a dermatologis though. People from not T5s end up as faculty at T5s all the time, and many T5 residents end up going into private practice.

What is considered "lower tier"? Some areas in CA are also more/less desirable than others

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What is considered "lower tier"? Some areas in CA are also more/less desirable than others << OP probably means like a Loma Linda compared to a Stanford

i think there is some truth to it, seems like ppl that i know ranked places in CA higher due to location. probs similar to NYC

coming from a CA school, i know a lot of ppl signaled and interviewed with smaller CA programs, but I chose not to signal bc there's so many applicants applying to these small programs with only 2 spots. felt like a long shot, esp when there are home students and away rotators who have a better chance

<I see. It seems that CA programs are just hard to into in general comparatively but for different reasons

catty resident at Stanford who treated me like sh** during my away and then was fake af during my interview

Two certain Harvard PIs who employ an army of research fellows and leave them hanging, also they play favorites...

weird Case resident that made tiktoks talking shit about the rotating med students

name and shame!!

not OP but sounds like Vinod Naubidiri or Steven Chen

Was this a PGY3??> lol i wish i could shame one place so much but it's too small >:( i think i've done enough shaming to the right people though

Someone drop the tea on Case lol they matched only home students

not OP but sounds like Vinod Naubidiri or Steven Chen >> Adena Rosenblatt at UChicago is a damn weirdo, and she has a passive aggressive MA that is rude to all the medical students.

super rude PGY3 at USC Derm I hated working with her

lol i wish i could shame one place so much but it's too small >:( i think i've done enough shaming to the right people though

how do Nambudiri and Chen play favorites?

yesss harvard is super bad institution nobody apply yall

Harvard RYs have good match though, why not apply? I see RYs who did research with Chen matched Harvard... like?

sounds like some salty people here this year

every year there are, always happens after match :P

i can't edit my comment but was being sarcastic w/ the nobody apply comment. the OP sounds a bit salty - not trying to invalidate the stress of RYs especially at a top institution that attracts great students

super rude PGY3 I hated working with her

Agree some oft the PGY3s at Case are so toxic

was the stanford resident a pgy-2?

why

bc i want to weigh my options before applying

you apply based on ties, connections, and location pref. Otherwise, everything else is basically RNG. Godspeed if you're aiming for T5

thank you, but connections and RNG aside, and im willing to move anywhere, are they created equal or is one going to give an edge? not trying to be a snob or anything. just want genuine info for life changing career decisions

Don't love the way the question was framed about which t5 is the "worst" - they are all great for different reasons (as are non T5 programs). Harvard is great for inpatient and complex med-derm along with network; less ideal for QoL. UCSF is great for clinical volume, location, mentorship; less ideal for QoL, exploring non-clinical interests given the more busy schedule/various sites. Penn is a good balance of clinical training, research, QoL but def leans much more academic and location is not for everyone. NYU is great for clinical volume, procedural derm, network, research; less ideal for those who aren't into NYC and its pace. Stanford is great for research, innovation, kind faculty; less ideal for Mohs, clinical volume/diversity. Just a few thougts, but again. Matching derm anywhere is a huge accomplishment - don't focus too much on the rankings, focus on the personal fit for you.

someone who thinks they're better than any of the T5s is about to get a rude awakening lol

yes, stanford in there too. there are really 6 T5 programs.

if you care about prestige... i wish you well

I'd say biggest difference is location/city vibes. also harvard covers hospitals in different locations vs some others are a bit more centralized, but boston maybe has better public transport than the others

when its derm, matching is all that matters

this

people talk badly about stanford on here but it's the best resident salary in the country (even accounting for COL) with a more balanced QOL than other T5 programs (Harvard, UCSF) idk

people talk badly about stanford on here but it's the best resident salary in the country (even accounting for COL) with a more balanced QOL than other T5 programs (Harvard, UCSF) idk >compare to penn?

people say the training at penn is better and i can't speak to that (certainly more big names at penn, more research output) but im not saying what program is best just that some great programs get hated on and its not super clear why to me

people say the training at penn is better (certainly more big names at penn, more research output) but even if true idk why people go after stanford

the less call/inpatient time the better

Stanford is trash

case in point :)

Where?

I don't think this is true> yes per sheriff of sodium video. from what i heard it was filled quickly when i talked to soap people on the second day there were no derm spots left

i thought nrmp data showed one seat unfilled

which program was it???

which program was it??? I think there was a Stanford physician only spot but don't see it listed on the Match list now

the unmatched spot was in the midwest according to NRMP data

I got 4 RTM calls. One is my top choice so we'll see if they're actually telling the truth. It might be a small group of people receiving the majority of them. I went to a T5 med school and did a RY at a neighboring research power house that was very productive. Most people march without them do don't worry!

ok this is my legit prediction i have no info to back this up. But what if the programs doing the RTM calls are the UPenn, Stanford, UCSF-type programs that don't want to lose out on applicants because they picked HMS. Akin to med school applications where programs knew based on historical data it would be hard to convince applicants to drop an HMS acceptance?

ucsf explicitly said they dont do these calls btw

ucsf student here, they do it undercover several classmates of mine got some

lmfao get real

yeah sure jan..

anyone know if harvard does RTM call

Ik the pd personally, they call 2-3 ppl (source resident)

omg i'm going to jump off of the golden gate bridge

i mean i guess that just means you're at the top of their list? which doesn't mean you won't match there

lol why would a harvard resident be on this gooner sheet

dude its hms, ofc they want you to beg for it with a LOI...

this is bullshit yall are lame

when does harvard usually do the RTM calls?

You guys really have no clue how hard it is for a resident to get dismissed. Any resident who was dismissed from a program likely had major issues either in or outside of medicine or both. No program wants to dismiss a resident, even a mediocre or bad one.

Stop vaguely referencing the lawsuit and just tell us the allegations or give the case title so we can actually look it up pls

chat saying: In the civil case captioned Adam Garibay v. Cook County, Steven Aks, and David Othman, the plaintiff’s complaint centers on wrongful conduct by his employer following his reporting of alleged misconduct by another doctor. According to the publicly-available case summary: Wrongful termination and retaliation: Garibay alleges that Cook County (his employer) terminated his employment in retaliation after he reported alleged misconduct by Dr. Krunic. The alleged misconduct he reported included physical abuse of a patient by Dr. Krunic. The complaint asserts that Garibay’s reporting of that alleged abuse and related issues was a protected act, and that defendants retaliated against him instead of addressing the alleged misconduct. >> Holyyyyy shit. what that's crazy

not unless you're cook county or Stanford

"you have no clue how hard it is for a resident to get dismissed" assumes that the program tried to keep the resident as long as possible.

it doesn't…it implies that the resident did something egregious

it seems very odd that this resident had already completed an entire residency and matched derm despite that, presumably requiring strong connections mentors support etc and now himself is suing CC. everything is alleged and maybe he did something horrible but the entire pictures looks bad on CC not the resident, especially when you see what he's suing them for

Stanford did NOT dismiss a resident, they elected to leave. not saying it isn't problematic that someone wanted to leave, but it's not the same thing as getting fired

fame and shame, 2 columns to the right of shame

bless u

so what happened? you have to subscribe to see anything> I put the end of the url "adam-garibay-vs-cook-county-steven-aks-david-othman" into chat and had it plain language summary me... looks like hes claiming retalition for him reporting something... sus on CC

Looked up the cook county PGY3 that got dismissed. Very sad that this can happen. How are people getting dismissed from derm programs? Have heard of many residents now getting dismissed, for example at Mount Sinai recently too

>UH, Stanford too

How do you find this information?

word of mouth. although not sure about each person's specific circumstances.

this post needs to be pinned. there are residents getting fired from programs and its too risky to be around unstable faculty who can ruin your career

multiple residents also left this program!

ugh your life is so hard :((

I hope you do because I think they suck floppy cock

LMAO

someone didn't get II lol

they fire residents, its not a good program, only saved by Stanford name

every place fires residents *shrug*

the resident left by choice, they were not fired

kind of ridiculous to say it isnt a good program but sure protect your rank list lol

Let's just say he was on an important list

what?

How did you find out they were fired?

I heard the resident "left" ..lol

this person had their license revoked. There is no longer a NPI number listed. I doubt they just "left"

its very much program dependent. i can imagine stanford is against them

check with your resident buddy

resident suicide(s) in the past? idk, i cant find much info on it.

Resident has also been terminated in the program before.

what do you have to do to get terminated damn < idk, but there was also an nyu resident who terminated before. it was a whole thing on this spreadsheet a few years ago.

i heard the same with mt sinai and stanford a couple years back