Stanford, CA
Sentiment score: 7.2 / 10
Stanford is consistently ranked among the top 5 dermatology programs in the country alongside Harvard, Penn, UCSF, and NYU. Applicants praise the program for happy residents, supportive faculty, excellent basic science research opportunities, and strong resident compensation, though some debate whether it ranks slightly below UCSF clinically. The forum contains significant discussion about interview timing, RTM calls (with conflicting reports), waitlist movement, and geographic/home program advantages.
✅1. All of the hospitals are beautiful
❌1. I heard that their Peds Derm spot is guaranteed to whoever their current research fellow is, the nepotism runs deep. Good luck.
❌2. Most stressful interview day. No breaks between rooms. Rapid fire of very challenging questions and follow-ups. Felt very judged with every answer I gave. PD responded with rudeness after I asked a basic question.
💬1. well the shame is clearly not true as this year's peds match was not the research fellow +1. very organized interview day and responsive coordinator. > hated this interview day seemed like they were trying to see how you do under stress
Any ideas/tips on how to find housing for Stanford?
sometimes fb in like mom chats or undergrad housing chats esp if youre there over the summer people sublease rooms, just be cautious of course and make sure you are talking to a real person etc.
How many people still waiting to hear from Stanford? Based on the tab seems like they've only made a few offers
i got rejected
did not hear anything
what does it take to match T5?
Worry about matching and don't obcess with T5! T5 match seems to be a lot of who you know, though.
anyone know how imgs match into t5 unis, meanwhile so many us applicants are trying to match
they tend to do research years (sometimes multiple) with PIs who have strong pull at their home programs. Of course they have great STEPS and work ethic, but the research years are really what cements a lot of their potential in matching
Yikes, why are we so snarky about IMGs matching. Imagine the goated application they must have had
IMGs will almost exclusively only match derm at a place they've done multiple RYs. This could be a top tier program (e.g. I think Penn, Stanford, Miami have taken some in the past) or not. They very likely grinded very hard and put in some good work and deserve that spot
Are "lower tier" CA residencies actually harder to match than "higher tier" non CA programs?
What is considered "lower tier"? Some areas in CA are also more/less desirable than others
no
What is considered "lower tier"? Some areas in CA are also more/less desirable than others << OP probably means like a Loma Linda compared to a Stanford
i think there is some truth to it, seems like ppl that i know ranked places in CA higher due to location. probs similar to NYC
coming from a CA school, i know a lot of ppl signaled and interviewed with smaller CA programs, but I chose not to signal bc there's so many applicants applying to these small programs with only 2 spots. felt like a long shot, esp when there are home students and away rotators who have a better chance
<I see. It seems that CA programs are just hard to into in general comparatively but for different reasons
Are the T5 programs equal in impressiveness (UCSF = Penn = Harvard = NYU = Yale/Stanford) or is there an internal tier difference with one group being significantly better than the others?
The best one is the one you like the most (+/- the one in the city you like the most)
This obsession with T5s, jeez. If it makes you happy, great! At the end of the day you will be a dermatologis though. People from not T5s end up as faculty at T5s all the time, and many T5 residents end up going into private practice.
What are the chillest programs in liberal cities? (bonus points if they have decent cosmetic training) I dont care about prestige/research but think i am a decently competitive applicant
UCSF
Desireable location is literally impossible to define. Some people will call Texas desireable. Others New York. Only you can evaluate.
edited to clarify
from what ive heard cornell is chillest in nyc
Yale (small city but liberal)
UCSF> lmfao chill and ucsf do not go together
University of Minnesota :)
What about UCSD? Seems chill and San Diego is amazing
UCSD?
stanford not in a city, but close to SF and definitely chill
UT Austin! (Not a lot of cosmetic training tho)
can we please make a shit list for ppl we hated during our application journey? toxic attendings, residents, and "co-authors" included
catty resident at Stanford who treated me like sh** during my away and then was fake af during my interview
Two certain Harvard PIs who employ an army of research fellows and leave them hanging, also they play favorites...
weird Case resident that made tiktoks talking shit about the rotating med students
name and shame!!
not OP but sounds like Vinod Naubidiri or Steven Chen
Was this a PGY3??> lol i wish i could shame one place so much but it's too small >:( i think i've done enough shaming to the right people though
Someone drop the tea on Case lol they matched only home students
not OP but sounds like Vinod Naubidiri or Steven Chen >> Adena Rosenblatt at UChicago is a damn weirdo, and she has a passive aggressive MA that is rude to all the medical students.
super rude PGY3 at USC Derm I hated working with her
lol i wish i could shame one place so much but it's too small >:( i think i've done enough shaming to the right people though
how do Nambudiri and Chen play favorites?
yesss harvard is super bad institution nobody apply yall
Harvard RYs have good match though, why not apply? I see RYs who did research with Chen matched Harvard... like?
sounds like some salty people here this year
every year there are, always happens after match :P
i can't edit my comment but was being sarcastic w/ the nobody apply comment. the OP sounds a bit salty - not trying to invalidate the stress of RYs especially at a top institution that attracts great students
super rude PGY3 I hated working with her
Agree some oft the PGY3s at Case are so toxic
was the stanford resident a pgy-2?
case residents are so fake
when people say t5 programs, are they referring to doximity lists (penn, ucsf, harvard. nyu. yale?)
yes, stanford in there too. there are really 6 T5 programs.
if you care about prestige... i wish you well
are there big differences among the T5 programs, or are they pretty much the same? - signed a neurotic M3
I'd say biggest difference is location/city vibes. also harvard covers hospitals in different locations vs some others are a bit more centralized, but boston maybe has better public transport than the others
when its derm, matching is all that matters
this
people talk badly about stanford on here but it's the best resident salary in the country (even accounting for COL) with a more balanced QOL than other T5 programs (Harvard, UCSF) idk
people talk badly about stanford on here but it's the best resident salary in the country (even accounting for COL) with a more balanced QOL than other T5 programs (Harvard, UCSF) idk >compare to penn?
people say the training at penn is better and i can't speak to that (certainly more big names at penn, more research output) but im not saying what program is best just that some great programs get hated on and its not super clear why to me
people say the training at penn is better (certainly more big names at penn, more research output) but even if true idk why people go after stanford
the less call/inpatient time the better
Stanford is trash
case in point :)
what program went unfilled? 1 seat was left open
Where?
I don't think this is true> yes per sheriff of sodium video. from what i heard it was filled quickly when i talked to soap people on the second day there were no derm spots left
i thought nrmp data showed one seat unfilled
which program was it???
which program was it??? I think there was a Stanford physician only spot but don't see it listed on the Match list now
the unmatched spot was in the midwest according to NRMP data
god do we think 10 people actually got RTM calls
I got 4 RTM calls. One is my top choice so we'll see if they're actually telling the truth. It might be a small group of people receiving the majority of them. I went to a T5 med school and did a RY at a neighboring research power house that was very productive. Most people march without them do don't worry!
ok this is my legit prediction i have no info to back this up. But what if the programs doing the RTM calls are the UPenn, Stanford, UCSF-type programs that don't want to lose out on applicants because they picked HMS. Akin to med school applications where programs knew based on historical data it would be hard to convince applicants to drop an HMS acceptance?
ucsf explicitly said they dont do these calls btw
ucsf student here, they do it undercover several classmates of mine got some
lmfao get real
yeah sure jan..
anyone know if harvard does RTM call
Ik the pd personally, they call 2-3 ppl (source resident)
omg i'm going to jump off of the golden gate bridge
i mean i guess that just means you're at the top of their list? which doesn't mean you won't match there
lol why would a harvard resident be on this gooner sheet
dude its hms, ofc they want you to beg for it with a LOI...
this is bullshit yall are lame
when does harvard usually do the RTM calls?
If there's no clarification specifically detailing why a resident was dismissed from a program, I would say that is the ultimate red flag. Imagine working this hard to get derm and you end up getting dismissed because a faculty member with power doesn't like you
You guys really have no clue how hard it is for a resident to get dismissed. Any resident who was dismissed from a program likely had major issues either in or outside of medicine or both. No program wants to dismiss a resident, even a mediocre or bad one.
not unless you're cook county or Stanford
"you have no clue how hard it is for a resident to get dismissed" assumes that the program tried to keep the resident as long as possible.
it doesn't…it implies that the resident did something egregious
it seems very odd that this resident had already completed an entire residency and matched derm despite that, presumably requiring strong connections mentors support etc and now himself is suing CC. everything is alleged and maybe he did something horrible but the entire pictures looks bad on CC not the resident, especially when you see what he's suing them for
Stanford did NOT dismiss a resident, they elected to leave. not saying it isn't problematic that someone wanted to leave, but it's not the same thing as getting fired
Stop vaguely referencing the lawsuit and just tell us the allegations or give the case title so we can actually look it up pls
fame and shame, 2 columns to the right of shame
bless u
so what happened? you have to subscribe to see anything> I put the end of the url "adam-garibay-vs-cook-county-steven-aks-david-othman" into chat and had it plain language summary me... looks like hes claiming retalition for him reporting something... sus on CC
chat saying: In the civil case captioned Adam Garibay v. Cook County, Steven Aks, and David Othman, the plaintiff’s complaint centers on wrongful conduct by his employer following his reporting of alleged misconduct by another doctor. According to the publicly-available case summary: Wrongful termination and retaliation: Garibay alleges that Cook County (his employer) terminated his employment in retaliation after he reported alleged misconduct by Dr. Krunic. The alleged misconduct he reported included physical abuse of a patient by Dr. Krunic. The complaint asserts that Garibay’s reporting of that alleged abuse and related issues was a protected act, and that defendants retaliated against him instead of addressing the alleged misconduct. >> Holyyyyy shit. what that's crazy
not unless you're cook county or Stanford
"you have no clue how hard it is for a resident to get dismissed" assumes that the program tried to keep the resident as long as possible.
it doesn't…it implies that the resident did something egregious
it seems very odd that this resident had already completed an entire residency and matched derm despite that, presumably requiring strong connections mentors support etc and now himself is suing CC. everything is alleged and maybe he did something horrible but the entire pictures looks bad on CC not the resident, especially when you see what he's suing them for
Stanford did NOT dismiss a resident, they elected to leave. not saying it isn't problematic that someone wanted to leave, but it's not the same thing as getting fired
fame and shame, 2 columns to the right of shame
bless u
so what happened? you have to subscribe to see anything> I put the end of the url "adam-garibay-vs-cook-county-steven-aks-david-othman" into chat and had it plain language summary me... looks like hes claiming retalition for him reporting something... sus on CC
why is it better to do a prelim over a TY if you don't match? < it isnt. It's better to do a TY. Unless you want to do IM back up; then the only benefit of a prelim of your first year of IM is done. Otherwise TY is easier, more chill, and usually allows you more time to do aways and research
Looked up the cook county PGY3 that got dismissed. Very sad that this can happen. How are people getting dismissed from derm programs? Have heard of many residents now getting dismissed, for example at Mount Sinai recently too
>UH, Stanford too
How do you find this information?
word of mouth. although not sure about each person's specific circumstances.
this post needs to be pinned. there are residents getting fired from programs and its too risky to be around unstable faculty who can ruin your career
multiple residents also left this program!
would only be happy if i match Stanford derm :/
ugh your life is so hard :((
I hope you do because I think they suck floppy cock
LMAO
someone didn't get II lol
they fire residents, its not a good program, only saved by Stanford name
every place fires residents *shrug*
the resident left by choice, they were not fired
kind of ridiculous to say it isnt a good program but sure protect your rank list lol
ANyone know the tea on why a resident was fired from stanford derm
Let's just say he was on an important list
what?
How did you find out they were fired?
I heard the resident "left" ..lol
this person had their license revoked. There is no longer a NPI number listed. I doubt they just "left"
I heard the resident "left" ..lol
this person had their license revoked. There is no longer a NPI number listed. I doubt they just "left"
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