Henry Ford Hospital-MI

MUSC, Vanderbilt , UAMS, UAB, NW, Harvard, MCW, henry ford> Geisinger

OHSU

When a program says they have "academic half days", does this just refer to study time or lectures

"academic half days" are study time. "didactics" are lectures

Been told to rank the middle more so based on location

Columbus, OH is a great city to live in, great football and has an airport. Winters aren't as brutal as MN. Would recommend

sounds good, yeah haven't been to any of these cities and hard to tell program vibes from the interviews, any thoughts about any of these programs?

I think a lot of it will come down to personal preference? Ex., for me personally, I'd prioritize programs in areas where I don't have connections that are next to a bigger airport to make it easier to see family/friends; city size and demographics are also something to consider

disagree, I think Columbus Ohio sucks ass. But it's probably better than Detroit or Minnesota

"dont rank us highly if"

IF?

Omg what that sounds insane

if what 👀 what did he say??>> he basically went on this long rant about how everyone says they are "caring" people, but not really, and that its easy to fake being a caring person for a 6 week rotation, but what about in 20-30 years from now. and that they're looking for those kind of people. He says the program will work you hard, and don't rank us highly if you don't want to be worked hard. Additionally he was like "everyone in here is crazy smart, probably were valedictorians of your elementary school, middle school and maybe even highschool, additionally most of yall probably had three stars *** next to your name at college graduation (summa cum laude), but if you think you're perfect, don't rank us highly. We will give you feed back, we will challenge you, if you think you have already arrived at your destination don't rank us highly. We're looking for people who will be willing to go "sigh, I have so much to do, but I'm going to put my patients first because that's the kind of person i am" , if this doesn't sound appealing to you "don't rank us highly." These are some of the things I can remember after finishing my interview day. But it was all unnecessarily aggresive and lowkey patronizing. Even though everyone but him seemed nice, it really soured my day with all of that being the first thing I heard....before even being given a program overview presentation.

I am impressed by how much of his speech you remembered

cooper was the same

i interviewed earlier in the month - but i viewed it as they want residents who are not pretentious/arrogant and open to feedback. residency is a place for learning and personal growth but if you think you're already "perfect" they don't want that mentality

at the same time, theres ways to word and present that information of what the program is looking for without being condescending....>exactly

he was just being transparent not condescending imo

Adding the whole "if that's you then dont rank us highly" thing was a little offputting

literally was going to comment the same thing, basically word for word LOL

agree I was just thinking how that is like EXACTLY how I remember it but could never had recited it myself

ucsf , Henry Ford

what do you consider top programs (T5, T10, T20)?

one that allows me to practice general dermatology after completion

that's all of them homie> T20

is this true? they seemed very happy at interview

POOP

let it gooooo pls no one knows the answer at this point

POOP

sounds like you want an outpatient specialty... there is PM&R, Psych, and Fam Med. probably more too.

Derm vs. anesthesia is basically choosing between being a sunscreen sorcerer or a professional chair-recliner who monitors beeps for a living.

Derm gives you that fast-paced outpatient life, but only in the sense that patients sprint into clinic convinced their mosquito bite is melanoma.

Anesthesia is chill until suddenly it isn’t and you’re staring at a 3 a.m. airway like it’s a cryptid in the woods.

Meanwhile derm residents are sleeping peacefully, dreaming of moisturizers that cost more than rent.

You want lifestyle? Derm is the final evolution of lifestyle Pokémon.

But the entry requirements are Step scores forged in the fires of Mordor and a CV longer than the CVS receipt of someone with seasonal allergies.

Anesthesia pays well, but so do careers where you don’t get called at ungodly hours because a surgeon wants “just one more case.”

Derm, on the other hand, closes at 4 p.m. sharp because no one gets a rash emergency at midnight.

Dual applying derm and anesthesia is like saying “I want to be a pastry chef OR a firefighter.”

Both cool, but no one is expecting that combo and you’ll confuse literally everyone including yourself.

PM&R actually has decent lifestyle too, especially if you vibe with rehab gyms and people asking if you lift.

Psych lets you go home early after talking about everyone’s childhood trauma while your own quietly festers.

Family med is outpatient life in its purest, rawest form.

But the hours depend entirely on whether your clinic is managed by competent humans or gremlins fueled by expired energy drinks.

Honestly, nothing is too hard if you’re willing to brute-force study until your brain starts buffering mid-sentence.

But also nothing is worth sacrificing your future Saturdays for if you don’t absolutely have to.

Shoot for derm if it calls to you, because the worst they can say is no and the best they can say is “welcome to the SPF cult.”

And if not, anesthesia will always welcome you with open arms and slightly droopy eyelids.

Just pick whichever one makes you least likely to cry into your badge photo.

And remember: in the end, all you really want is zero nights, zero weekends, and a paycheck that whispers “you made the right choice.”" with "does henry ford interview all rotators? Trying to see if it's a uconn situation with courtesy interviews..."

... have you shadowed either...

Ngl OP I think you need to do a lot more soul searching and real life data gathering. Feel free to start doing derm research to hedge but picking a specialty solely for lifestyle and pay is not a recipe for career satisfaction. though totally fair if lifestyle/pay are one factor of many. You will naturally be more "competitive" if you like what you do (even in med school). > tbh this is why i picked derm though. Sometimes for some of us having the right amount of interest in it (more than other options doesn't need to be a passion) in combo with lifestyle and pay is, in fact, a recipe for career satisfaction. well.....i haven't matched obvs but hopefully it's so

POOP

shadowed both. anesthesia was 95% doing nothing, 5% doing minimally invasive procedures with I like. shadowed derm and thought the daily practice was more my style. however since i don't know anything about derm it was less interesting in a sense since i was literally watching someone think. i don't think i'll get a sense of what derm is like until residency for that reason. with that being said i shadowed MOHs and absolutely loved it.

As someone who is not yet a resident, I find derm to be the most fascinating specialty! There are so many cool and unique presentations and endless amounts to learn about each one! If you don't feel genuinely interested in the specialty, you probably shouldn't apply just for the lifestyle alone.

not saying i am not interested in the specialty, i'm saying i don't know enough about derm to really decide if the pathology/treatment is interesting. wondering if i should start racking up pubs and presentations and stuff so if i do decide to go derm i can make that shift easier

try to talk to derm residents/attendings. No offense but med students just can't get the most accurate sene of what it feels like to practice derm so wouldn't have the best perspective to help you decide. Also this spreadsheet is biased since everyone here wants derm lol

thank you, will do that

prep for derm match than switch to gas if you want. Its def harder going other way around >Shadowing anesthesia feels like watching a calm wizard guard a beeping cauldron, 95% serenity and 5% poking things with needles, which is admittedly pretty fun.

Derm shadowing felt more your vibe, even if it was basically watching someone silently think for eight hours like a dermatologic Sherlock Holmes.

And yeah, MOHs is basically derm’s boss fight and it makes sense you loved it, tiny scalpels and big satisfaction.

Someone else dropping in like “Derm is the coolest specialty ever, endless rashes, endless mysteries,” which is true if you’re into that dermatologic Pokémon card collecting energy.

But they rightly pointed out that if you don’t actually find the content fascinating, you shouldn’t pick it just because derm people leave work at 3 p.m. spiritually.

You aren’t uninterested, you just don’t know enough yet to decide if staring at biopsies and chronic hives is your forever jam.

And now you’re wondering if you should start grinding pubs and posters like you’re farming experience points for the Derm Final Boss.

Then someone reminds you that med students have the clinical perspective accuracy of a potato and you really need to talk to actual derm residents or attendings.

Also the spreadsheet is biased because everyone on it wants derm like it’s Beyoncé tickets.

You respond politely like “Thanks, will do,” but internally you’re already imagining cold emailing 40 dermatologists.

And of course someone drops the chaotic classic: prep like you’re going derm, then switch to anesthesia later if you want, because apparently going from gas to derm is like trying to evolve a Pokémon with the wrong stone.

totally, that's why I qualified my statement with "solely" above!

POOP

Not sure what you mean by yield protection, but programs 100% factor the likeihood on whether an applicant would want to come to a program in their ranking (e.g., programs from the Midwest/Mountain/South would rank the East/West Coasters lower if the applicant does not give the program strong reason why they would want to come there)

I think yield protection is real (maybe just cope) but I have a PhD and didn't get any interviews at "less competitive" places like Henry Ford, Brown, and community places despite interviews at more "top" places

I hAvE a PhD wHy dIdnT bRoWarD wAnT me

Brown is less competitive what ru saying?

me when I didnt get an HonorHealth interview.. >

It's real for sure

emory and Pitt, GW (if you applied to linked prelim-derm), henry ford, penn state

uconn, Henry Ford

oh so if you didn't get uconn prelim, does that mean you probably won't get derm?

it counts!! They said they'd reach out about it

see recent update from them!

if u read the full schedule confirmation message from Thalamus, u ll know they offer coordinated TY interview along with Derm interview, u just need to reach out to the program coordinator

what about for their prelim?

only 1 interview (home) with 7 signals out

not a bad yield at all. Was in the same boat and got more than 10 interviews total. Please keep your head up

is this just because people decline later on so programs send out more or like did ya'll just get super lucky with the second batch, im in shambles rn

second and third batch went well. I was gutted for weeks and it sucked so I really feel for you. Get a treat and try to take your mind off it