Someone asked about WashU away. WashU told all rotators last year the night before rotations started that they would not give LORs and if you wanted one, then you'd have to meet with them separately and tell them your reasons why and convince them super hard. Their rotation was 65-75% shadowing (edited because there were certain faculty that took a shine to me and let me present lol), with 25% somewhat clinical mostly in the consult week. Hard to stand out when you're shadowing and faculty not getting to know you. Residents were fine. Would not do this away again, signed matched 2026 applicant, and 10/10 would not do this process ever again lol.
Is WashU really that bad of a rotation mill? I got my first offer from them, but I have applied to lower tier programs with no luck. My application is mediocre, so should I turn it down if the odds of an II are low to begin with? x 2 lol
pls I am being 100% serious here :( i just dont want to waste my time and money and they have 14 internals apparently
Apr 13
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you will not get a letter of rec from WashU which they tell you on your first day. Lots of shadowing, rarely get to present to attendings who will not remember your name
Apr 13
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so theres basically nothing you gain/no building a connection that can increase your chances of a II?
Apr 13
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its one thing for a program to not gaurantee rotators an interviewer, but it's even more heinous when they won't even write you a LOR???? Like i'm dropping bands for zero
Apr 13
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literally robbery, and thats something that should be disclosed before applying and not something you are told ON the rotation
Apr 13
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recently matched applicant- i would suggest reaching out to coordinators/PDs/any contacts you have at other places you applied to aways at, let them know you have an external offer for x month but would prefer their institution if given the opportunity. this worked for me once, and once is all you need! alternatively if you get an offer later after youve accepted washu, would rescind washu if the new offer is known to take rotators/write LORs
Apr 13
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I am being 100% serious here :( i just dont want to waste my time and money and they have 14 internals apparently
Apr 14
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I am being 100% serious here i just dont want to waste my time and money and they have 14 internals apparently
Apr 14
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yes it's a huge rotation mill
Apr 14
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Has anyone heard back about the prelim screening from wisconson or washU
Even more important than rotation mills are programs that only take their own research fellows. While rotation mills will still interview and match a percentage of their rotators (with variability between programs), programs that only take their research fellows will rotate and interview many of their rotators, but ultimately offer little to no chance of matching for those outside their fellows.
Apr 2
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what programs do this besides sinai
Apr 2
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what programs do this besides sinai, Mayo AZ
Apr 2
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Rotating, signaling, and interviewing at these programs is a waste of time and is performative; they already know who they plan to take for the upcoming cycle
Apr 2
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WashU
Apr 3
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very true. Do NOT waste your time at Mayo AZ or Sinai. UConn also (at least this year). CWRU as well is a major rotation mill people need to talk more about
Apr 3
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UCONN
Apr 3
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Penn
Apr 7
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Wake
Apr 8
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CWRU
Apr 8
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northwestern
Apr 9
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Every other year uconn has taken a lot of their away rotators, including all their current residents.
Aug 29
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Can someone explain what a "rotation mill" is/means?
take a bunch of students for away roations and rarely offer those rotators interviews
Mar 22
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Why do programs do this? Seems like a waste of time for everyone involved
Mar 22
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Free Labor
Mar 22
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What schools are known as "rotation mills"
Mar 22
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you don't want to do any research yourself huh
Mar 22
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WashU, USC
Mar 22
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barely free labor if most of these schools don't let students do much anyways. i think they may not have the bandwidth or a good system in place to thoroughly vet students prior to offering aways but may later realize they are not competitive for their program
Mar 22
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Not OP, but the purpose of this sheet is to spread the word... let's not gatekeep (if possible!). No hate!
Mar 22
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WashU, USC()
Mar 22
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WashU, USC() F*ck USC. Look at last years spreadsheet
Mar 23
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its ok ur not missing out the training is skewed to obscure med derm u would need training outside of residency to feel comfortable as non academic/private practice gen derm
Mar 23
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Quick question for yall. Pre-med here who got into med school recently. pretty much deadset on derm. I have a full tuition scholarship at WashU st. louis or could pay $200k to go to Yale (which would result in about $140k in debt over 4/5 years). I know Yale is possibly better for dermatology, does anyone have any advice on where to choose?
WashU is also a really great school and I think the stress of loans hanging over your head makes you a less happy person in general, affecting all facets of your life. Unless you have other reasons to go to yale, I think you could make derm either way! At the level of washU vs yale, matchign derm really depends on you and your personality and motavation to be a good student and researcher! I also recommend you stay off the spreadsheets at least until your M4 year. congrats on the A and go enjoy your spring!
Mar 21
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$140k is not a ton in the grand scheme of things. Wouldn't get too hung up or stressed over that. If it makes you feel better, I'm at like $700k 😂 it could always be worse lmfao. One thing I'd compel you to consider is that at Yale you'll be ranked against other competitive applicants whereas you may have a higher class rank at WashU! Also keep in mind tons of people at ivy leagues applying derm don't make it. I don't know that going to Yale will truly be better for your app
Mar 21
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agree with this last part, I don't know if it will be better for your app (derm resident here)
Mar 21
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WashU doesnt have class ranks (huge pro) and the students are just as competitive academically
Mar 21
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$140k of debt is not that much but both WashU and Yale are phenomenal programs. That being said, I'd probably pick Yale personally, just because I like the program better... depends on how much the debt means to you
Mar 21
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Hi, congrats on your acceptances! Truly wishing that you make the best decision for what you need. Absolutely, the cost/loans matter. But if you're dead set on derm, I'd highly recommend you consider Yale. WashU's derm match last year was insane, but that was a fluke. WashU has a difficult time matching anywhere outside the Midwest (especially in derm), and our previous years' data have been meh and don't even tell you the number of students who did not match derm or matched to the second specialty they applied into. Yale is stronger academically, particularly for derm. If you are open to considering other specialties (ENT, plastics, ortho, etc.), by all means, come to WashU; these departments have excellent research and mentorship -- not derm. I wish someone would have warned me, so I make it my job to tell everyone else.
Mar 21
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I'm the OP. After seeing this, i think i am going to choose yale... i am really deadset on derm (fav specialty by far, and i dont imagine myself switching), and i think ill be able to pay off the debt anyway. thanks.
Mar 21
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you should ask how yale derm match went this year (spoiler: not well)
Mar 21
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wait can you clarify, why didn't yale derm match go well LOL (Im OP).
Mar 21
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Yo I'm OP, can the previous commenter talk about how Yale match went this year? what % matched approximately? i heard there were a ton of internal candidates.> ya how do you know how it went this year already?
Mar 21
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because people talk and they already know if they matched or not
Mar 21
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were there a ton of unmatched applicants from Yale this year?
Mar 21
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Yes. idk ask your yale friend, and also get off this spreadsheet
Mar 21
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seriously LMAO get off
Mar 21
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More people went unmatched than matched applying into dermatology from Yale this year… just fyi. Last year they also had a few go unmatched.
Mar 21
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Save the money - both amazing schools. If you're committed to derm you will make it happen either way. Financial freedom is so underrated
Mar 22
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Does anyone have July for Wash U that would be able to switch with August?
Does anyone know if WashU dermatology is a more supportive department now that the PD has turned over? I heard the new PD is great but I also heard the department in general wasn't willing to mentor or teach people. Wondering if this problem is fixed with a new PD.
It's really not something you can know right now. Will need to give it a few years.
Apr 4
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Incoming M1 here deciding between vanderbilt and washu. I heard WashU had a rough derm match this year. Does anyone know if WashU is a good school if derm is my end goal?? I heard from current students that their match list has been good in the past, but their department isn't super supportive in terms of mentorship/research.
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