What applicants said about U Washington Affil Hosps in the 2020 cycle

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NO RAGRETS. the residents are rioting due to their shitty pay... don't wanna go there anyway!

You sound like Trump

whatta compliment!!!

I believe 24 when they had 3 spots, now they have 4 spots so 32?

Congrats! x2 ERAS or email? << email

Any away rotators not get this interview? x3

is this x2 asking the question or 2 aways that didn't get it? << OP was just asking the question <Oh I added a x because I did an away and didn't get it ): x2

For non-away rotators, did they give you the 13th as an option?

yep

they only gave 10th for rotators/internals and I have a conflict then but not on the 13th :(

that sucks, I'm sorry. Maybe reach out to let them know?

I will- wish me luck!!

< dumb question - WUSTL or UDub?

If you know that it's called UDub, then you know it's not the University of Washington. PSA: The U goes before the W for the University of Washington. The W goes before the U at WUSTL

Amazing how quickly we update this sheet sometimes HAHA

I've updated at least three of the rejections. Maybe I should move away from this site and work on my step II :'( << dont worry when it comes to rejections i can definitely help update the sheet - meme

So no second wave? :(

Anyone know interview dates for Irvine?

check the PD-made interview calender <it's not on there, which is why people keep asking about it

do we know if cornell was internal orr all?

Cornell has ~4-5 spots, so I would have expected more invites to have been represented as part of the self-report. Also, the only people who responded to that question were internals

Top tier: UPenn Harvard UCSF NYU Mayo Michigan, Emory, Henry Ford?) and Michigan and Mayo are not top tier. Would add Stanford, Hopkins, and UCLA instead)

would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow

UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly

UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.

No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo

Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5

To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs

MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts

1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt

<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too

<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.

<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.

I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.

name me a state with better Mexican food tho

they list the ones they consider on the top of the survey--- thank you! totally missed that. <<<< case western UH is a very malignant derm program....i interviewed there last year and hated it, didnt get good vibes from PD/Chair, and i also disliked how they sent us that survey that made it easier for them to judge us solely off metrics..

yesx10 4 questions on it: How many Honors? How many High Pass? Are you AOA? What is your Class Rank? ...wow << silly questions but if you aswer 6 in one then have to answer zero in the other right? or did i read it wrong?

great to know this is all they value and couln't review MSPE

wonder if they send this to all applicants? X2 << Not to be rude, but isn't all this in our application... << I agree with you 100% haha <<< so have they not even looked at our apps yet? lol << are they even allowed to ask for our class rank? I thought the Dean has to send that x2

Do you think "top grade" means A in general or A+.....? << Depends on what is the equivalent of H. you don't want to stretch the truth incase they look on your app after, but I agree it is hard to fill it out since we all have different grading scales and different cores

we don't have honors and they don't tell us our rank? also virtually no one gets an A+. idk how to fill this out

I put n/a for rank

hard to fill this out << yeah, this is ridiculous << this supplement seems insanely lazy. Everything is in our MSPE. Also makes it clear they only seem to care about 2 metrics x2

yeah, it's pretty insulting. i am more than my grades..... x5

goes to show how silly the whole system is, we are being compared across schools in terms of grades, but each school does it so differently that it shouldn't really be such a big factor in whether we receive interviews or not at any institution. x2

Did everyone who applied get this?

Does anyone know the difference between the Metro Health and the University Hospitals program (both are Case Western)?

<Both are affiliated with Case; Metro is the county hospital, so you tend to see more Spanish-speaking patients, patients on Medicaid, etc; UH is more academic. Also UH is a bigger program (6 per year vs 2-3 per year at Metro); That said, Metro is a very-tight knit group of residents who are very much like a family (cheesy, I know, but true) << Thank you, good summary!!

Realizing I only applied to Metro as I thought the UH was DO only, oops!...anyone else? << Lolll same, thought it was DO

do you think it's worth emailing/explaining and submitting now? << No. I think it's too late.

UH does their interview invites by a point system. So you get points for different things (including class rank, honors, AOA/SSP, publications, what type of journal it was, what number author you were). This is their easy way of creating the points for us. << that sounds terrible

Guys, try it for yourself, if you say something about unethical research, the cell gets deleted. It's a cool magic trick!

<Strange

There is absolutely no way this Case survey is for research - appears to be a lazy way to make us do their data entry for them to auto-grade our applications

Ew, that's even worse

IM programs go through thousands of applications, and they need to use a survey doc/point system to go through a few hundred? << Pretty frustrating x4

im just shocked they haven't looked at our apps yet. << I heard that UW PD just started looking at apps this week

for those who received, was it via eras or email?--> email

If you know that it's called UDub, then you know it's not the University of Washington. PSA: The U goes before the W for the University of Washington. The W goes before the U at WUSTL

Amazing how quickly we update this sheet sometimes HAHA

I've updated at least three of the rejections. Maybe I should move away from this site and work on my step II :'( << dont worry when it comes to rejections i can definitely help update the sheet - meme

So no second wave? :(

would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow

UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly

UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.

No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo

Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5

To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs

MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts

1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt

<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too

<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.

<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.

I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.

name me a state with better Mexican food tho

I thought it was a really strong and friendly program? Don’t know why they thought it was terrible

there are some downsides, like commuting between sites in Seattle traffic (which is awful lol) and no free parking, cost of living in Seattle is pretty crazy now and the salary doesn’t reflect that, and residents often work until 6-7pm finishing notes because there’s not enough time during the day... but the people and faculty were great

great to know this is all they value and couln't review MSPE

wonder if they send this to all applicants? X2 << Not to be rude, but isn't all this in our application... << I agree with you 100% haha <<< so have they not even looked at our apps yet? lol << are they even allowed to ask for our class rank? I thought the Dean has to send that x2

Do you think "top grade" means A in general or A+.....? << Depends on what is the equivalent of H. you don't want to stretch the truth incase they look on your app after, but I agree it is hard to fill it out since we all have different grading scales and different cores

we don't have honors and they don't tell us our rank? also virtually no one gets an A+. idk how to fill this out

I put n/a for rank

hard to fill this out << yeah, this is ridiculous << this supplement seems insanely lazy. Everything is in our MSPE. Also makes it clear they only seem to care about 2 metrics x2

yeah, it's pretty insulting. i am more than my grades..... x5

goes to show how silly the whole system is, we are being compared across schools in terms of grades, but each school does it so differently that it shouldn't really be such a big factor in whether we receive interviews or not at any institution. x2

Did everyone who applied get this?

Does anyone know the difference between the Metro Health and the University Hospitals program (both are Case Western)?

<Both are affiliated with Case; Metro is the county hospital, so you tend to see more Spanish-speaking patients, patients on Medicaid, etc; UH is more academic. Also UH is a bigger program (6 per year vs 2-3 per year at Metro); That said, Metro is a very-tight knit group of residents who are very much like a family (cheesy, I know, but true) << Thank you, good summary!!

Realizing I only applied to Metro as I thought the UH was DO only, oops!...anyone else? << Lolll same, thought it was DO

do you think it's worth emailing/explaining and submitting now? << No. I think it's too late.

UH does their interview invites by a point system. So you get points for different things (including class rank, honors, AOA/SSP, publications, what type of journal it was, what number author you were). This is their easy way of creating the points for us. << that sounds terrible

Guys, try it for yourself, if you say something about unethical research, the cell gets deleted. It's a cool magic trick!

<Strange

There is absolutely no way this Case survey is for research - appears to be a lazy way to make us do their data entry for them to auto-grade our applications

Ew, that's even worse

IM programs go through thousands of applications, and they need to use a survey doc/point system to go through a few hundred? << Pretty frustrating x4

im just shocked they haven't looked at our apps yet. << I heard that UW PD just started looking at apps this week

for those who received, was it via eras or email?--> email