It's reasonable to be upset that the incoming class of Dermatologists do not reflect the patient population of the US. It's not always a statement on the residency selection process or a call for affirmative action. It's not like the baseline application pool is representative either. What's your problem?

people can be hispanic without looking the part so no one knows how many URM really matched lol

and ORMs shouldn't feel the need to put down the 10 URMs in derm to feel better about themselves

ORM are matching due to stats not sure why URM always hating on them lol

It's clear you've bought into this culture war brainrot. "URMs are always hating on ORMs!" Grow up.>folks gonna stay mad regardless about URMs and to that I say cope :)

OP isn't hating on URM, just saying that they shouldn't need a quota to match depsite URM implying so which shouldn't make anyone angry. Most URM matching come from top SES anyways lol...> what quota? Y'all are laughable. But literally whatever you need to tell yourselves.

irdc about this whole URM/ORM thing, its kind of a really weird crutch people use. look at the statistics of income percentiles by race of people in medical school >80% of URM in med school come from the top 10% income backgrounds so pls miss me with this sob story bullshit hard upbringing story

the only overrepresented population demographic is Asians, so just say you want fewer Asian-American dermatologists

am one of the urms that matched and I had to throw that ass around. If u want to match, u have to as well

agree it is pretty sad to see people play the URM card and act like they grew up in section 8 when both their parents were doctors, particularly when someone who is ORM who actually had a rough life wouldn't get the same benefits in the application and selection process despite an actually challenging upbringing> my problem is why URMs are the first to be attacked when there are clear, more prominent issues with this whole process. Being rich isn't limited to URMs if anything they as a whole are less rich

most URM who are in medicine are, as a whole, not less rich. they are more rich. however i agree blanket statements about groups are not great. I just believe every candidate should be evaluated as an individual without race as a factor.

asking for quotas based on race is racist (we should take into account ses tho)

irdc about this whole URM/ORM thing, its kind of a really weird crutch people use. look at the statistics of income percentiles by race of people in medical school, more than 80% of URM in med school come from the top 10% income backgrounds so pls miss me with this sob story bullshit hard upbringing story

i think that's what most people want, but the reality is dermatologists ARE RACIST. So I'm not crying about a process that would force a program to accept URMs. Meritocracy doesn't exist but I dont think y'all are ready for that conversation. We actually can address 2 things at once, but instead you have Fox news talking points thrown around.

lol I personally know really caucasian passing students who's families are from South America and their names are not Hispanic sounding but they definetely play the URM card when it benefits them

asking for quotas based on race is racist (we should take into account ses tho)> then why is that not classist?> yeah I have no control over who my parents are, but I work hard regardless. Just luck of the draw, but I shouldn't have to pay for that.

I know a URM from a T5 who matched within the last 2 years who's family is not financially stable and they have struggled a lot with the culture in derm and academia that definetely favours people from financially afluent (be ir ORM or URM) backgrounds.

Other thing to consider is that a program may rank URM candidates highly but then if they decide to go elsewhere, then the program ends with ORMs and people will complain. At the end of the day, there is an element of the candidate choosing to go elsewhere

i think that's what most people want, but the reality is dermatologists ARE RACIST. So I'm not crying about a process that would force a program to accept URMs. Meritocracy doesn't exist but I dont think y'all are ready for that conversation. We actually can address 2 things at once, but instead you have Fox news talking points thrown around.>

dermatology is racist AF and there are students that take advantage of the racism to try and get ahead. kudos to the attendings who don't perpetuate racism by allowing that to happen but SHAME ON YOU to the attendings that allow black and brown students to be mistreated, lied about, and have their work stolen by other students who know that their word (not matter how dishonest) will win against a black or brown student within certain racist and prejudiced areas of america. hope you enjoy dealing with the mediocrity and lies.

yall have drank the biggest gulp of victim kool-aid i have ever seen

thats a big assumption. What if that year the 2 or 3 URMS that were ranked to match simply just picked other programs for whatever reason (proximity to home, liked the other program better, etc.).

lol i'm not the original commenter but I actively tried to stay out of areas where violence against minorities is rampant. sorry but i'm trying to graduate, not get kicked out because someone lied about me and said I did something I didn't.

Other thing to consider is that a program may rank URM candidates highly but then if they decide to go elsewhere, then the program ends with ORMs and people will complain. At the end of the day, there is an element of the candidate choosing to go elsewhere> I wonder why URMs dont feel safe in certain spaces...

i hope you know most of these initiatives youre talking about often take most away from other minorities> then we should fix that... point still stands

ur not getting it

yall have drank the biggest gulp of victim kool-aid i have ever seen. i recommend being a normal person and actually going out into the real world and interacting with people from various races, you'll see that everyone is pretty tolerant and accepting of all races lmfao> right because you know everyone and are everyone so you would be the one to know 100% how those who very much are Black and Brown are treated all the time.

im brown and matched and idgaf about all this URM/ORM bs just lock in

it is classist and if we are going to stratify on any factor thats better than race because that most directly impacts your ability to have certain opportunities, everyone low SES will be at disadvantage to high SES, same cannot be said about race

it is classist and if we are going to stratify on any factor thats better than race because that most directly impacts your ability to have certain opportunities, everyone low SES will be at disadvantage to high SES, same cannot be said about race> why only focus on one factor, there are many and not acknowledging ALL of them misses the big picture. We are smart enough to pass board exams but our brains can't comprehend that money doesnt entirely shield you from the impact of racism?

its a zero sum game which races do you think should take which races seats

lol i'm not the original commenter but I actively tried to stay out of areas where violence against minorities is rampant. sorry but i'm trying to graduate, not get kicked out because someone lied about me and said I did something I didn't

im black and matched and care about the future of derm, including future applicants.

its a zero sum game which races do you think should take which races seats> and this is another part of the problem they are not OUR seats. Being a doctor actually does come with a responsibility to the people we serve, those in charge of choosing the next generation of doctors are supposed to be aware of what patients need. No one is oweed this job it's a societal good.

why do you assume that ppl who are URM have to grow up in section 8 housing. Black does not automatically equal low income or first gen. no need to spread your judgement and misery over here. and doing it behind an anonymous wall. just come out and say how you really feel, instead of reddit and google sheets>like dr phia said she faces microagressions from colleagues all the time, so my URMs in medicine be aware there are people around you who do not want or think the best of you

microaggressions I legitmately just vomited. please give me a break. y'all literally live in your own little version of the world. pls go see the real world and talk to real people

bruh i'm sorry you have no idea. less so microaggressions moreso aggressions. until you can walk in our shoes you have no idea what it's like.

hopefully your karma comes for you and locks you out. just bc your matched now, doesnt mean your gonna get off scotch-free with these racist tones. doctors are getting canceled left and right. seems like it will be coming to you in your future.>im sorry what the heck

how are yall complaining about a URM quota, when not that many URMs matched.

cope. it's too painful to look within and try to be better. instead much easier to blame someone else. would be interesting to see the psychology of those who have a tendency to blame others for their own losses versus those who try and look within and improve (maybe even learn from those that were able to win).

im urm and matched at a t5 and imo we have ALL worked hard to get here. i've had a lot of support to get here financially, but it also feels like just yesterday i was happy to have found a penny in my car so I could put together enough money to afford something to eat.

to the person that said lock-in: the issue with training in a racist space (alabama for example) is that merit is not enough in these spaces. so locking in and being the best you can be results in burnout, belittling, people not trusting you or your word, attributing your accomplishments to cheating (or the big one right now unfortunately for this generation, just accusing people of using AI when you just can't believe that they're capable of doing something). idk there's a lot to unpack.> always is and people who are small minded are not capable of nuance want to reduce our struggles to their inconvenience

i've just tried to channel the vitriol into motivation to do better and be better which has got me to this point. oh you mad i took your spot? imma show you why i deserved it.

why do you assume that ppl who are URM have to grow up in section 8 housing. Black does not automatically equal low income or first gen. no need to spread your judgement and misery over here. and doing it behind an anonymous wall. just come out and say how you really feel, instead of reddit and google sheets>like dr phia said she faces microagressions from colleagues all the time, so my URMs in medicine be aware there are people around you who do not want for or think the best of you

bruh i'm sorry you have no idea. less so microaggressions moreso aggressions. until you can walk in our shoes you have no idea what it's like. >it makes me sad patients aren't always able to avoid the type of ignorance we see here

its a zero sum game which races do you think should take which races seats> and this is another part of the problem they are not OUR seats. Being a doctor actually does come with a responsibility to the people we serve, those in charge of choosing the next generation of doctors are supposed to be aware of what patients need. No one is owed this job it's a societal good.

to the person that said lock-in: the issue with training in a racist space (alabama for example) is that merit is not enough in these spaces. so locking in and being the best you can be results in burnout, belittling, people not trusting you or your word, attributing your accomplishments to cheating (or the big one right now unfortunately for this generation, just accusing people of using AI when you just can't believe that they're capable of doing something). idk there's a lot to unpack.> always is and people who are small minded are not capable of nuance and want to reduce our struggles to their inconvenience

ppl will cry over anything

whole lotta koolaid being drank

stay mad

cope. it's too painful to look within and try to be better. instead much easier to blame someone else. would be interesting to see the psychology of those who have a tendency to blame others for their own losses versus those who try and look within and improve (maybe even learn from those that were able to win).> that didnt answer the question. How does a small percentage of URMs matching make mutliple non-URMs upset. you make it seem like URMs are taking your spot but in the same breath are like "do better and accept your losses". The fact that this is the largest convo on this sheet shows that the Trump era and politics has galvanized this discord between URMs and non-URMs. And frankly half of what is being said is contradicting itself. Large blanket statements on SES vs nonSES, assuming a URM is unmatched and bitter just bc they see some injustice. its lame. either way, you negative veiws will not stop URMs or hinder them. Continue to acheive greatness regardless of the opinions of a small pea brain

how about there are simply different people with different personalities and not everyone is going to get along.. people are aggressive to eachother for a ton of different reasons. why do you automatically revert to race being the issue? are you saying you are 100% of the time always doing everything right in clinic or research setting? the answer is no. and you will be called out on that by faculty. but you in your brain will relate it to race when its legit just normal interaction. everyone gets reprimanded

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> i hope you know most of these initiatives youre talking about often take most away from other minorities> then we should fix that... point still stands

how about there are simply different people with different personalities and not everyone is going to get along.. people are aggressive to eachother for a ton of different reasons. why do you automatically revert to race being the issue? are you saying you are 100% of the time always doing everything right in clinic or research setting? the answer is no. and you will be called out on that by faculty. but you in your brain will relate it to race when its legit just normal interaction. everyone gets reprimanded > sounds like you're racist too :) It always is that deep. Insulting actaully to assume people who face discrimination pretty often DON'T know what discrimnation is.