M3 here curious if people did not rank Stanford and UCSF highly causing them both to go far down their lists (they both matched IMGs). Is that normal?< UCSF is considered the best program in the country by many. They can do whatever they want and rank who they want. Stanford is Stanford, pretty sure they are in the same boat as UCSF and don't match far down their lists. UCSF also interviews like 20 people. That is a different level of elite. x2 <also being an IMG does not mean they are a bad candidate, some of them have already been derms in other countries for years, with tons of research in us, and/or phd's. they probably are/were better than other candidates x4< yea the IMGs the T10s match are always insane candidates x2
imagine thinking UCSF/Stanford matched an IMG because they couldn't find anyone else haha x1000001
Mar 22
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the fact that this M3 is insulting IMG's who earned a spot at stanford and UCSF is literally insane. IMG's have to work way harder to get a spot and an IMG who is able to match anywhere in derm let alone a top program is way more qualified than you, I guarantee it. x1 << The M3 person is also missing that the UCSF candidate did an entire UCSF pediatrics residency... and is now doing a 2nd residency< The UCSF resident has the following credentials: MD, PhD, peds residency in France, Peds derm fellowship in France, Peds Residency at UCSF THEN matched at UCSF derm with these impressive credentials and TBH probably the most qualified/impressive person they matched this cycle (this is saying a lot since their match list is baller). What do you have M3?
Mar 22
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Stanford resident is editor-in-chief of a journal and did research at Oxford and Stanford! So impressive!!!!
Mar 22
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< these M3s are on another level. Get an interview at one of these programs and let us know your thoughts then. x 12< lol this is prolly the same person from a few rows down who was trying to know which T5 offered best "clinical training"
Mar 22
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I unfortunately matched at Stanford instead of UCSF. Will I be a horrible clinician as a result?/s
Mar 22
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yes, no sarcasm
Mar 22
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Patient: I think I have warts, what do you think doctor? Doctor: IDK I went to stanford <LOLLL x2 Imagine some people actually ranking one of the CA schools above the PA, NY, or God forbid MA school!
Mar 22
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is this a joke or do people actually only rank Penn and Harvard for being ivy league schools over UCSF and Stanford?
Mar 22
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do derm programs forbid their residents from doing a residency at a TY? Is that a thing?
most derm programs don't even frown upon it. My T25 derm program actively encouraged me to do a TY.
Mar 22
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I am sure you are at a good program, but there is no such thing as a T25 as there are no respected rankings that are so granular. There is the T5ish, then an additional 5-10 places that people call "T10" because they are just barely outside the t5, but people debate how they compare to one another. That's it, don't quantify. Congrats on the match! Sounds like an awesome program
Mar 22
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Of course there are top ~25 programs, and I guarantee that the one I matched into is one of them, based on discussions with "T5" mentors and placement of residents who come from my new program.< someone salty they arent in a t25
Mar 22
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Not salty at all. Matched a "T5 vs T10," I just think using these b.s. rankings outside of Penn, NYU, Harvard, UCSF is dumb
Mar 22
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< lurking M3 here. Are NYU and UCSF actually better than Harvard and Stanford?
Mar 22
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no. Any of these 4 as well as many more academic programs will set you up for any career you want. x2< I want to know which one of these has the best clinical training, or is Penn better than all 4?
Mar 22
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splitting hairs< I would say NYU and UCSF are a tad strongger clinically because of the time spent at the VA and County hospitals = more autonomy but all will set you up nicely. Harvard doesn't have a real continuity clinic so docks some quality there but Stanford is the weakest of all 4.
Mar 22
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M3, why don't you apply to them and see where (if any) you are offered interviews before splitting microscopic hairs. X2 There is no difference between these programs, and many more, in terms of what you can do after residency. None.
Mar 22
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this is not true. Within top 4, there is a pretty clear pecking order
Mar 22
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Spoken like a true med student. You will not be limited in your career by attending any of the top ~25 academic derm residencies.
Mar 22
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upenn is the best program on the east coast, ucsf on the west coast< THANK YOU!
Mar 22
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< You guys are missing my point. I wanted to know if NYU and UCSF have better clinical training than Harvard and Stanford. Not if they will equally set me up for a career. Is Harvard the best program? Why is this so hard to answer?
Mar 22
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Aways that interview rotators (please add): UNC, UTSW, Cook County, UT Houston, OU, Penn State
i'm super confused why so many people here seem to hate on yale compared to the other top 5s...it was my dream program and i ended up matching at another "top 10" but i'm still pretty bummed. even though new haven isn't exactly boston or new york, the residents at yale are consistently the top scorers on boards and more PDs have come from yale than anywhere else. not that harvard, NYU, Stanford, UCSF and Penn aren't great too, but i think we're doing a disservice by not consistently including yale with those programs. still wish i could have been there!!!!
medicine: we have treated generations of minorities horribly and have excluded them for our own selfishness (e.g. Kligman at Penn derm), we have to find ways to do better. Derm applicants: absolutely not! don't start that shit when it is my turn. slavery ended ages ago, medicine is now a leveling ground, we are all equal here so this is discrimination. i mean, there are 5 black people in my class and 4 are international/african and only one is an african american and it doesnt bother me at all that african americans who grew up here can't make it to this spot, there must be something wrong with them, all 33 million of them, don't blame me!
Feeling like I messed up my rank list bad. I had Harvard, UPENN, UCSF as 1,2,3 out of 25 but then I made a last minute switch. I wanted to be close to home so went with UCSF. Am I going to be able to get a job ?
I just found out Dr. Pimple Popper went to residency at Southern Illinois University or something and now realize that none of this matters b/c where you go for residency doesn't even predict your future success lol > dermies can make anything happen > yeah i think people are obsessed with reputation on this spreadsheet which is so interesting, it really doesn't matter some of the most famous academic derms didn't all come through Harvard/Penn/NYU x3 dont tell that to the same 20 people clogging up this spreadsheet with questions about the same 3 programs lmfao!
"to the person who deleted my q re: RTM comms at Penn (or whoever's been deleting stuff in general): can you not? please calm down and let this resource be as helpful as it can be without injecting your toxicity. really don't want to have to worry that my co-residents might be this competitive or malignant... <hi! Wait would you mind sharing what was deleted? Very interested in Penn lol. thanks!
Does anyone know anybody who matched at Harvard, Penn, or Stanford with sub 250 Step 1 scores? Please forgive me for my insecurity, but I think the interviews I got were curtesy interviews. I made the mistake of googling some of the current residents and the ones I googled have public pages that have their Step scores (becuase they are Step tutors haha) and they're 260+ so I'm feeling like chances are not looking good. Anyone have any hopeful (or realistic) words to share? I'd be indebted.
lowly M3 here lmao. I'm on cutaneous onc RY currently and I'm hoping to apply med derm. My step score is a little below average for derm and I'm worried that's disqualifying, especially because the the med derm info page at penn et al state "higher requirements than regular derm program." I'd be happy doing derm, but want to do cutaneous onc at a cancer center long term so would enjoy the additional onc exposure in med derm programs. anyone here have any success stories of applying med derm? would be so grateful for any advice or experiences! I posted the question on reddit but I didn't get any responses, I'm sorry to intrude!
imagine thinking UCSF/Stanford matched an IMG because they couldn't find anyone else haha x1000001