FM -> Derm Cosmetics Fellowship -> dont have to deal with the rest of derm bullshit and just make a ton of money << what kind of derm cosmo fellowship can non-derm people do?? < NYU, UCLA, Miami
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<<Such a gunner move "hurr just don't go into derm, another spot for me". TBH you can be a chiropractor and open up a cosmetics program.
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There are peds trained people who I have seen now have cosmetic only practices and surgeons (not plastics) who also have cosmetics only practices.
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I am all for whatever it takes to get the cosmetics people out of our field <I don't want to do cosmetics, but I rather someone in derm do it who actually trains some in this stuff rather than FM/IM/PEDS/Neurology (went to a neuro clinic that started doing cosmetic botox as well as migraine botox) etc.
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Reposting (deleted on error): Can people comment on why most say UCSD > UCLA? My understanding is UCLA has more specialty clinics and arguably a more diverse patient population. UCSD is no doubt a growing and strong basic science research department, but clinically is it any better?
Most rankings are based on research output is my understanding
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faculty turn over at ucla is an issue -- regardless still one of the best programs in the country. Both are powerhouse programs
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really? Both powerhouses?
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people on this sheet throw around "one of the best in the country" and "powerhouse" and the phrase "hands down" like its candy on Halloween x2; "powerhouse? powerhouse? we got UCSF and Stanford crushing it on the west coast, and about 20 stronger programs than UCSD and UCLA, and ya'll want to talk about powerhouse?"
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Don't think you can go wrong with either. For me it would come down to am I an LA person or San Diego person.
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How did Harvard, Stanford, Penn, NYU, and UCSF come to be the definitive top 5 programs? It seems like no one can agree on anything, except that these are the top 5. Makes me wonder how this was determined and why places like Yale/UTSW/Michigan/Mayo/etc aren't considered top 5?
<- i feel like a lot is based on history no? I know at NYU they trained some of the trailblazers in derm (like way way back) and it was also big during the AIDS epidemic -- That's good to know. Tbh, I actually don't know much of anything about derm history, and wasn't aware. So do you think they got their reputation mostly based on years of continuous contributions to the field?
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NYU is the top creme de la creme program.
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i would cream myself to match any of the top 5 x2 <My mentors have mentioned slightly different lists to me that they consider the top programs (though 3-4 of those always make the list), so it is all subjective. <<< Thanks for the input, good to know that they may not be as static as they seem
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< would love to hear your mentors lists
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Tufts, Harvard, BU, UCLA, UCSF
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LOL <why are 3/5 in Boston? That just doesn't sound right to me.
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Did Harbor-UCLA's prelim program send invites out yet? Can't find an answer on the prelim/TY spreadsheet nor here.
No. I also tried emailing them and they didn't respond. Not really sure what to think. The prelim program may be linked to the advanced position without an interview, but I'm not sure.
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I haven't heard anything either, but think they prefer to interview those with advanced position interviews
heard it used to be great, but there have been some turnover with faculty (many leaving to USC, which is now considered a better program by some)> they have very little info on the website<anyone have any idea when the interview day will end?
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email said around 1 oh please, I just hate the lies some times. USC as a health system was recently on probation. They are not jumping from UCLA in droves to USC.
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this is actually not true - several faculty have been poached from UCLA to USC (in "droves") <yes, including USC's current PD and head Mohs surgeon.
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before or after probation issues? Also 2 people don't constitute 'droves'
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some after, some before. probation issues had nothing to do with the derm department. there are more than those 2.
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either you have a UCLA invite and not a USC invite, or you haven't spent much time with both depts...
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you don't have to believe me, look up their faculty list and see for yourself
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☕☕☕
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um, UCLA has like 8 more faculty than USC
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quality, not quantity honey
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<not a top CA program <There are many solid CA programs and UCLA is included in that. I know someone who ranked UCLA over UCSF & Stanford partially for locations reasons, but they did not feel like they were sacrificing quality of education. <Great location, but still not a top program compared to every others in CA. <true
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not true
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Stanford & UCSF are on another level, then UCSD, then UC-davis, UCLA & USC
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would consider lower tier program. Not a department (it's a division under medicine) so there is limited upside for improvements. Location is amazing though if you want to be in SoCal x4 .
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Would not say low tier. Would pick it above most of the 100+ programs, but not top tier/upper
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In order: Stanford/USCF, UCSD, UC-Davis, UCLA, USC, UC-Irvine, Loma Linda/UCLA-Harbor, Kaiser Permanente, Opti West (Newport)
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UCLA and UC Davis are not above USC
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This one line represents the horrible sabotage that is going to plague every question about california programs this season
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This whole thread is ridiculous. Pick whichever CA program suits you the best. Derm reputations are mostly based on how long the program has been around and how much research money they have. Remember that matching at a "top tier derm program" may be seen as > matching to other programs, but they're >>>>>>>>> not matching. Regardless, you'll be the envy of every other non-derm doctor
great program in great part of LA (westwood) - congrats [somehow actually edited my statement to say bad]
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how many externals do they interview?<also external non rotator, though did not get a personalized letter lol << are they done sending out invites?? :(( <--- if a program sends out personalized letters, do they all go out at the same time or one by one? <was hoping it was one by one, but I think it's too delayed at this point to be the case
arent those the only two left? what about casewestern?
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there's a lot left (loma linda, case western, einstein, brown ucla, fsu, temple, baylor in dallas, etc.)
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I have about 10 places I applied to that have not sent invites/external invites...and I did not apply everywhere x2 <just look at the interview invites spreadsheet to see who's left
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has baylor come out? (it seems that baylor houston already did)
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baylor houston came out for internals only so far (pls correct this if I'm wrong)
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I guess UCLA has given up on interviews. They will have no residents in the class of 2021
<If you are low on numbers, keep hope for trickles. Might not happen, but I know people who have gotten them this week. << hang in there, I have 5-7 trickles opening up next week, January is brutal for conflicts
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I haven’t gotten any trickles but I have gotten 3 interviews this week so yea, it’s winding down but not over
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< you have more trickles than i actually have interviews. mazel tov
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Hang in there, January is so crowded and people have to cancel soon. I hope they go your way, and wish you the best
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Can anyone confirm that Kansas went out for externals/non-rotators? Also, UCLA?
FM -> Derm Cosmetics Fellowship -> dont have to deal with the rest of derm bullshit and just make a ton of money << what kind of derm cosmo fellowship can non-derm people do?? < NYU, UCLA, Miami