What applicants said about Stanford Health Care-CA in the 2023 cycle

as a recently matched DO resident, I can say this is largely true. Most DO programs won't take MD candidates. Maybe this will change in the future, but not true now. May also not be true if you have a strong tie to the program. Also, many DO programs are now run by MD PDs and May start taking more MDs, such as Honor Health, LVHN, St. Joe's, etc. For a list of these "DO" programs, see this spreadsheet: Formerly AOA Dermatology Residencies: Audition Rotation Guide

Does this 50/50 lecture & clinic based derm elective count as rotating through your home derm program, or no?

technically you do rotate but half the rotation is didactics and assignments, after July we're able to sign up for our formal home rotations though < I would just prepare well in advance for your away rotation for July and then do your home program rotation the next month.

Thank you !

< lmao i got invited to both DO places and harvard/stanford e.t.c < what are the "both DO" places you are referring to.

college hill, fox point area, both are about 5-10 minutes away from Rhode Island Hospital

thank you so much!

Most of them will interview you unless you're hard to work with. This exclude the t5s tho. They only interview top applicants and away rotations to show interest are less useful. < not true, look at the away rotations tab to make sure people get interviews < Stanford is a T5 and interviews pretty much all rotators< Stanford is more exclusive with giving out away rotations to students. They don't participate with vslo

Stanford but the deadline passed

the average unmatched derm last cycle was a 244 step 1, >250 step 2, 30% were AOA and had something like 15 pubs/abstracts/presentations. they would absolutely demolish even the matched average cohort in 2009 in a head to head matchup. 2009 was when the matched average barely even hit 240 flat for step 1. there were probably more unmatched people last cycle with >250 step 1 than there were total people who applied with a >250 step 1 in 2009. so the old folks dont embarrass themselves i would also refer people interested in this comparison to blogs by JB Carmody who dispels the myth about the USMLE exams being re-normalized like the MCAT from questions correct to a percentile. the scores are comparable by percent correct on any given form between the two years despite later years having even harder forms < I mean that's not surprising as the USMLE Step 1 average score in 2007 was 218. The mean score of the matched dermatology applicant in 2007 was 238 (mean score of the unmatched Derm applicant was 226). 47% of U.S. seniors who matched into Dermatology in 2007 were AOA, so this figure seems to have gone down precipitously from then to now.

47% to mid 30% is not precipitous. it accounts for top schools changing and/or getting rid of AOA over the last two decades which, in line with other published sources about a big chunk of the applicant pool and matched pool coming from top schools makes sense that you would see that slight drop. getting rid of AOA along with lots of academically top quartile applicants no longer having AOA but matching absolutely accounts for a less than 10% drop << Most medical schools have not dropped their AOA chapters (although some schools like U of CT and Stanford historically did not have a chapter for the longest time). 47% AOA is for ALL Derm applicants who matched back in 2007, top tier prorgam or otherwise. A 17 point drop is pretty steep.<*changing. there are a lot of derm programs that can tell AOA is not absolutely based on academics. they would rather take someone who is top quartile than someone who just happened to get AOA because they sold out the right people to the deans of the med school. a derm program can tell from your MSPE << In order to be eligble for AOA, you have to be in the top quartile of the class based on academic standing. That has not changed at all. Most AOA chapters haven't become "woke" like Mt. Sinai & Northwestern.

regardless of what is behind this likely multifactorial drop in AOA% (again still among the highest in all the specialties in charting outcomes) literally every single med student who enters and exits medical school including those who match derm are objectively better in almost every single way than in 2009. you cant dispute those facts. the data about incoming scores, GPA of med students at every med school, USMLE exams, and # of research accomplished cant be handwaved away by some argument that you are trying to concoct that maybe fewer AOA people for whatever reason are either applying or being selected for. USMLE exams, as you may recall from having studied for them yourself, are not trivial exams you take in over a weekend like the SAT or MCAT either in content knowledge or sheer length by # of questions. the rise in all of these metrics whether partially due to availability and access of more refined resources geared towards the market of test takers does not take away from the actual achievement of theses newer generations studying and mastering the material and doing leagues better than previous generations << No one is actually making that argument but you. The only one concocting that argument is you. Stop projecting onto others and ASSuming just because you have a perpetual chip on your shoulder. You're not "special" just because you have more access to online resources that didn't even exist back then.

you dont have to look far to find old derm attendings on SDN being like wtf derm averages of step 1 are 250, something something grade inflation, some other logical fallacy. if every single person in a medical school wanted to get a 250 on step 1 and had the combination of resources+innate ability+dedication to carry out their study plan theres nothing preventing them from getting a 250 other than their ability to click the right answers on test day. its that kind of an exam. im not going to out boomers for their clearly not well researched takes that you can find very easily on internet blogs. if you dont think these fallacies about how exams that are used to select residents exist out in the wild even among pools of attendings who use these metrics to pick residents then you havent talked to enough boomer faculty in any specialty, derm included.

J-1 visa is easier than H-1B but some programs offer H-1B too, I would email the program coordinators

what? no they stayed in medicine. you can break the match if both parties agree

med-derm actually. As long as this person is happy, that's all that matters!

And it opened the door for a previously unmatched applicant

umiami is a mid tier shcool with a good derm department, so that sucks.<a dept that has a tradition of not interviewing half their students thanos style, some who even match to better derm departments < harvard is the same < Miami is a strong middle tier medical school which just happens to have a top tier Derm program. Many Miami Miller students end up doing a research year there, but as huge as their class sizes are, 15 people from Miami matching into Derm would be very unusual.

Stanford derm away rotations screen harder than almost any other similar caliber derm program. the people who rotated there but didnt match stanford almost always end up at strong derm programs wherever they match. i would go farther and say there is no other away rotation for a top 10, top 20 derm program that screens away rotators as much as stanford. hence my statement which is in fact very defensible. your odds after you do the rotation are higher than say if you did one at a rotation mill top program that has 2-4x as many rotators many of whom the programs faculty didnt even look at their files with much scrutiny before accepting them to the rotation. again, many of you dont seem to like facts because they go against your feelings and your response to a statement you find hyperbolic isnt to challenge the reasoning behind it. one could even say if more programs had processes of away rotations in derm like stanford there would be fewer complaints about "rotation mills" << The purpose of an away rotation isn't just to match there.<when you have 2 away rotations like your beloved benevolent APD wants everyone to be limited to, you dont have many burner away rotations to do. you can get an educational experience anywhere but people are paying money to improve their chances of matching, not to be free labor for faculty< what is spreading misinformation is you denying that we have completely out of control away rotation mechanisms at a lot of these programs which, in comparison, stanford's system makes it almost seem like you're guranteed to match there if you compare the odds of doing an away there vs doing an away at any other prestigious instituion which i wont name.

Can confirm that Stanford screens very hard for away rotations. Definitely not a first-come, first-serve process like in some other places

Penn UCSF Harvard NYU Stanford Yale Mount Sinai Northwestern UTSW etc.

It matters for people who want to go into academics/do research... << LOL, no it doesn't. Academia is in need of dermatologists. Beggars can't be choosers.