U Colorado SOM-Denver

This is just sad :(

< They sent me 2 rejections x3 << Actually 3 rejections now. x3

4TH ONE NOW, JESUS THE INCOMPETENCE

lol I'm dead. They really want to rub it in

I got 3 rejections. Wow, was I that terrible of a candidate?

the rest of us got 4 so you might only be slightly terrible lmao

Alright Colorado, I get the hint. After the second rejection, i wasn't sure. But that third rejection confirmed that you really really don't want me << They probably clicked "send" and it was slow to load so they clicked it a couple more times. << ya I get it

COLORADO PLEASE STOP IT. A MAN CAN ONLY BE KICKED WHEN DOWN SO MANY TIMES

as DJ Khaled says, "ANOTHER ONE" <LOL

colorado... pathetic, great sign for that program!

fucking quadruple tapped, TKO

so emotionally exhausted by this process that all I could muster after getting rejecte by the same program 4x in 6 min was an eyeroll

I'd like to imagine that the coordinator left their ERAS up on their computer while going to get a snack from the kitchen and then their cat just walked all over their keyboard << lol the colorado Cat

WTF was this? No apology email? Wild ride.

Probably a mistake. Call the PC.

They emailed us. Everything is taken care of.

their dates are conflict-heavy, so there's hope

Congrats! x4 << what are the dates? << Jan 10 and 13

Any research track folks?

Are they personalized or group?

No names, so I assume group.

RIP

Heartbroken

Heartbroken over Colorado... really?

Colorado is spectacular< How you gonna say really to Colorado? Colorado is the tits bitch

<Amazing program with incredible residents/faculty, interviewed there last year and ultimately ranked a different program higher (and matched there) purely for personal/family reasons, but I truly loved Colorado!

Why are residents on here? Go live your best derm life. <not derm life yet if they interviewed last year << forget these naysayers, dear resident, thank you for posting here

< also heartbroken. very strong program in every way imagineable and what an epic location! congrats to those who got it. truly an awesome place to learn derm and enjoy the derm lifestyle

UCLA sent externals very late in the past. A few of the others wait until this week...and a few are very very late compared to the past haha

< when is sinai's interview dates?

Colorado x2, Utah, brown x2, stanford x2, Saint Louis, UCLA

Mizzou and SLU?

not getting an interview from a program you rotated and got a LOR from ...< same boat x2< yeah I'm pretty sure living in a third world country with limited food and water could be more depressing but I think its a close one --- Nope, I would rather live in 3rd world country than not get an interview from a rotation

<< might I ask which programs these are?

I'm also curious -- TONS << Many top-tier programs (ie harvard), Miami, Colorado... There's definitely more

< yeah historically there have been invites week of Thanksgiving. No idea why people thought there wouldn't be. I think a hanfful more will come out. Places like Colorado, UCLA are due. Colorado said "mid-december" when I asked. Hope they speed it up though.

Colorado x2, UCLA, UCSD x2, UT Austin x2, University of Florida, Hofstra, Brown, maybe USC, Stanfordx2?

stanford comes out first week of december

source?x2

< how do you know? x3

<yeah fake news. PC told me they'd come out by the end of November

I think we're past due for Colorado, due for UCLA/UT Austin/UCSD/Hofstra

I get a few more rejections

Same x4

Today felt oddly quiet without any rejections x4!

Colorado is a state of the Western United States encompassing most of the southern Rocky Mountains as well as the northeastern portion of the Colorado Plateau and the western edge of the Great Plains. It is bordered by Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Arizona. <-- v tru, but also, colorado prog coordinator said they're notifying people mid dec

<< fantastic, fantastic response. lmao x3

just brushin up my US geography in case the PD asks me which state I would be if I could choose << new mexico, breaking bad 4 sho

is this the new what is your spirit animal question?

mine is still a dead horse because ive been beaten so many times :(( << don't beat a dead horse!! << i need invites and then i'll stop being dead :) :( << and at that point then we can beat you!! << literally nothing is stopping you now, join life as it currently beating me up :( << it sounds like you're having a rough time right now, but remember that you're amazing to even get to this point, and there are so many people who love and care about you!

Top tier: UPenn Harvard UCSF NYU Mayo Michigan, Emory, Henry Ford?) and Michigan and Mayo are not top tier. Would add Stanford, Hopkins, and UCLA instead)

would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow

UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly

UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.

No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo

Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5

To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs

MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts

1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt

<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too

<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.

<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.

I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.

name me a state with better Mexican food tho

I bet the new programs interview a ton of people to ensure they don't go unmatched. Like maybe 20:1 vs normally programs are 10:1. CU only had like 4?:1

feel like that still doesn't make sense tho right? like UNC interviews 5:1 and I think of them similarly to colorado. just a strange ass situation << Sometimes programs overshoot and interview all 260+ AOA from top 10 schools who all end up at Harvard or UCSF. That's probably what happened to DEnver

yeah also if they did only interview 19 people and have 6 spots then they're closer to 3:1

wow 3:1!? that's.... not a smart move.

this situation is just super unlucky and unfortunate because it confirms a program's worst fear and will discourage programs next year from saving everyone time and money by interviewing fewer applicants/spot

it was an insanely low number of interviews... do 1:5 if you are so confident (which a lot of the ivy leagues do), not 1:3. that's literally idiotic << Not even the top 5 could get away with a 1:3 ratio... Agreed 1:5 is the lowest even the best programs should drop to

St. Lukes Interviewed 120 people for 2 spots, It was impossible for them not to match

LOL WHAT << They thought they would get approved for 4 spots, so they did 120 which is 30:1, then a month ago they sent an email saying "sike" we just have 2 spots <- interviewed there and got such bad vibes from the program. DNR. <- just curious what your bad vibes were, as I also interviewed there but didn't see any red flags except for them being brand new

PGY-1 here. Colorado>UCI, unless you need to be in SoCal. I did an away last year at Colorado and unfortunately didn't get an interview, but when I was there, all the residents and faculty were so incredibly happy. Happiest program I've seen yet.

<<also a PGY-1, I also did an away at CO and didn't get an interview, despite this I'm not salty still think it's an amazing program, Colorado >>> UCI, really strong clinicals, strong surgery, strong basic science, strong peds derm, tons of VA autonomy, chair is really nice, residents were cool, everything is in a central location with minimal driving, facilities are gorgeous especially the VA, location/Denver is great - can't say anything bad about it // on that note... can't recommend Colorado for an away rotation, because less than half of the rotators get interviews

UCI chair is leaving...