Brown Univ/Rhode Island Hosp

Also UTSW, columbia

like whomst

feel like probably related to changes in research funding no?

yes Harvard sux nobody go

isn't chair of Brown leaving?

It's reasonable to be upset that the incoming class of Dermatologists do not reflect the patient population of the US. It's not always a statement on the residency selection process or a call for affirmative action. It's not like the baseline application pool is representative either. What's your problem?

people can be hispanic without looking the part so no one knows how many URM really matched lol

and ORMs shouldn't feel the need to put down the 10 URMs in derm to feel better about themselves

ORM are matching due to stats not sure why URM always hating on them lol

It's clear you've bought into this culture war brainrot. "URMs are always hating on ORMs!" Grow up.>folks gonna stay mad regardless about URMs and to that I say cope :)

OP isn't hating on URM, just saying that they shouldn't need a quota to match depsite URM implying so which shouldn't make anyone angry. Most URM matching come from top SES anyways lol...> what quota? Y'all are laughable. But literally whatever you need to tell yourselves.

irdc about this whole URM/ORM thing, its kind of a really weird crutch people use. look at the statistics of income percentiles by race of people in medical school >80% of URM in med school come from the top 10% income backgrounds so pls miss me with this sob story bullshit hard upbringing story

the only overrepresented population demographic is Asians, so just say you want fewer Asian-American dermatologists

am one of the urms that matched and I had to throw that ass around. If u want to match, u have to as well

agree it is pretty sad to see people play the URM card and act like they grew up in section 8 when both their parents were doctors, particularly when someone who is ORM who actually had a rough life wouldn't get the same benefits in the application and selection process despite an actually challenging upbringing> my problem is why URMs are the first to be attacked when there are clear, more prominent issues with this whole process. Being rich isn't limited to URMs if anything they as a whole are less rich

most URM who are in medicine are, as a whole, not less rich. they are more rich. however i agree blanket statements about groups are not great. I just believe every candidate should be evaluated as an individual without race as a factor.

asking for quotas based on race is racist (we should take into account ses tho)

irdc about this whole URM/ORM thing, its kind of a really weird crutch people use. look at the statistics of income percentiles by race of people in medical school, more than 80% of URM in med school come from the top 10% income backgrounds so pls miss me with this sob story bullshit hard upbringing story

i think that's what most people want, but the reality is dermatologists ARE RACIST. So I'm not crying about a process that would force a program to accept URMs. Meritocracy doesn't exist but I dont think y'all are ready for that conversation. We actually can address 2 things at once, but instead you have Fox news talking points thrown around.

lol I personally know really caucasian passing students who's families are from South America and their names are not Hispanic sounding but they definetely play the URM card when it benefits them

asking for quotas based on race is racist (we should take into account ses tho)> then why is that not classist?> yeah I have no control over who my parents are, but I work hard regardless. Just luck of the draw, but I shouldn't have to pay for that.

I know a URM from a T5 who matched within the last 2 years who's family is not financially stable and they have struggled a lot with the culture in derm and academia that definetely favours people from financially afluent (be ir ORM or URM) backgrounds.

Other thing to consider is that a program may rank URM candidates highly but then if they decide to go elsewhere, then the program ends with ORMs and people will complain. At the end of the day, there is an element of the candidate choosing to go elsewhere

i think that's what most people want, but the reality is dermatologists ARE RACIST. So I'm not crying about a process that would force a program to accept URMs. Meritocracy doesn't exist but I dont think y'all are ready for that conversation. We actually can address 2 things at once, but instead you have Fox news talking points thrown around.>

dermatology is racist AF and there are students that take advantage of the racism to try and get ahead. kudos to the attendings who don't perpetuate racism by allowing that to happen but SHAME ON YOU to the attendings that allow black and brown students to be mistreated, lied about, and have their work stolen by other students who know that their word (not matter how dishonest) will win against a black or brown student within certain racist and prejudiced areas of america. hope you enjoy dealing with the mediocrity and lies.

yall have drank the biggest gulp of victim kool-aid i have ever seen

thats a big assumption. What if that year the 2 or 3 URMS that were ranked to match simply just picked other programs for whatever reason (proximity to home, liked the other program better, etc.).

lol i'm not the original commenter but I actively tried to stay out of areas where violence against minorities is rampant. sorry but i'm trying to graduate, not get kicked out because someone lied about me and said I did something I didn't.

Other thing to consider is that a program may rank URM candidates highly but then if they decide to go elsewhere, then the program ends with ORMs and people will complain. At the end of the day, there is an element of the candidate choosing to go elsewhere> I wonder why URMs dont feel safe in certain spaces...

i hope you know most of these initiatives youre talking about often take most away from other minorities> then we should fix that... point still stands

ur not getting it

yall have drank the biggest gulp of victim kool-aid i have ever seen. i recommend being a normal person and actually going out into the real world and interacting with people from various races, you'll see that everyone is pretty tolerant and accepting of all races lmfao> right because you know everyone and are everyone so you would be the one to know 100% how those who very much are Black and Brown are treated all the time.

im brown and matched and idgaf about all this URM/ORM bs just lock in

it is classist and if we are going to stratify on any factor thats better than race because that most directly impacts your ability to have certain opportunities, everyone low SES will be at disadvantage to high SES, same cannot be said about race

it is classist and if we are going to stratify on any factor thats better than race because that most directly impacts your ability to have certain opportunities, everyone low SES will be at disadvantage to high SES, same cannot be said about race> why only focus on one factor, there are many and not acknowledging ALL of them misses the big picture. We are smart enough to pass board exams but our brains can't comprehend that money doesnt entirely shield you from the impact of racism?

its a zero sum game which races do you think should take which races seats

lol i'm not the original commenter but I actively tried to stay out of areas where violence against minorities is rampant. sorry but i'm trying to graduate, not get kicked out because someone lied about me and said I did something I didn't

im black and matched and care about the future of derm, including future applicants.

its a zero sum game which races do you think should take which races seats> and this is another part of the problem they are not OUR seats. Being a doctor actually does come with a responsibility to the people we serve, those in charge of choosing the next generation of doctors are supposed to be aware of what patients need. No one is oweed this job it's a societal good.

why do you assume that ppl who are URM have to grow up in section 8 housing. Black does not automatically equal low income or first gen. no need to spread your judgement and misery over here. and doing it behind an anonymous wall. just come out and say how you really feel, instead of reddit and google sheets>like dr phia said she faces microagressions from colleagues all the time, so my URMs in medicine be aware there are people around you who do not want or think the best of you

microaggressions I legitmately just vomited. please give me a break. y'all literally live in your own little version of the world. pls go see the real world and talk to real people

bruh i'm sorry you have no idea. less so microaggressions moreso aggressions. until you can walk in our shoes you have no idea what it's like.

hopefully your karma comes for you and locks you out. just bc your matched now, doesnt mean your gonna get off scotch-free with these racist tones. doctors are getting canceled left and right. seems like it will be coming to you in your future.>im sorry what the heck

how are yall complaining about a URM quota, when not that many URMs matched.

cope. it's too painful to look within and try to be better. instead much easier to blame someone else. would be interesting to see the psychology of those who have a tendency to blame others for their own losses versus those who try and look within and improve (maybe even learn from those that were able to win).

im urm and matched at a t5 and imo we have ALL worked hard to get here. i've had a lot of support to get here financially, but it also feels like just yesterday i was happy to have found a penny in my car so I could put together enough money to afford something to eat.

to the person that said lock-in: the issue with training in a racist space (alabama for example) is that merit is not enough in these spaces. so locking in and being the best you can be results in burnout, belittling, people not trusting you or your word, attributing your accomplishments to cheating (or the big one right now unfortunately for this generation, just accusing people of using AI when you just can't believe that they're capable of doing something). idk there's a lot to unpack.> always is and people who are small minded are not capable of nuance want to reduce our struggles to their inconvenience

i've just tried to channel the vitriol into motivation to do better and be better which has got me to this point. oh you mad i took your spot? imma show you why i deserved it.

why do you assume that ppl who are URM have to grow up in section 8 housing. Black does not automatically equal low income or first gen. no need to spread your judgement and misery over here. and doing it behind an anonymous wall. just come out and say how you really feel, instead of reddit and google sheets>like dr phia said she faces microagressions from colleagues all the time, so my URMs in medicine be aware there are people around you who do not want for or think the best of you

bruh i'm sorry you have no idea. less so microaggressions moreso aggressions. until you can walk in our shoes you have no idea what it's like. >it makes me sad patients aren't always able to avoid the type of ignorance we see here

its a zero sum game which races do you think should take which races seats> and this is another part of the problem they are not OUR seats. Being a doctor actually does come with a responsibility to the people we serve, those in charge of choosing the next generation of doctors are supposed to be aware of what patients need. No one is owed this job it's a societal good.

to the person that said lock-in: the issue with training in a racist space (alabama for example) is that merit is not enough in these spaces. so locking in and being the best you can be results in burnout, belittling, people not trusting you or your word, attributing your accomplishments to cheating (or the big one right now unfortunately for this generation, just accusing people of using AI when you just can't believe that they're capable of doing something). idk there's a lot to unpack.> always is and people who are small minded are not capable of nuance and want to reduce our struggles to their inconvenience

ppl will cry over anything

whole lotta koolaid being drank

stay mad

cope. it's too painful to look within and try to be better. instead much easier to blame someone else. would be interesting to see the psychology of those who have a tendency to blame others for their own losses versus those who try and look within and improve (maybe even learn from those that were able to win).> that didnt answer the question. How does a small percentage of URMs matching make mutliple non-URMs upset. you make it seem like URMs are taking your spot but in the same breath are like "do better and accept your losses". The fact that this is the largest convo on this sheet shows that the Trump era and politics has galvanized this discord between URMs and non-URMs. And frankly half of what is being said is contradicting itself. Large blanket statements on SES vs nonSES, assuming a URM is unmatched and bitter just bc they see some injustice. its lame. either way, you negative veiws will not stop URMs or hinder them. Continue to acheive greatness regardless of the opinions of a small pea brain

how about there are simply different people with different personalities and not everyone is going to get along.. people are aggressive to eachother for a ton of different reasons. why do you automatically revert to race being the issue? are you saying you are 100% of the time always doing everything right in clinic or research setting? the answer is no. and you will be called out on that by faculty. but you in your brain will relate it to race when its legit just normal interaction. everyone gets reprimanded

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> i hope you know most of these initiatives youre talking about often take most away from other minorities> then we should fix that... point still stands

how about there are simply different people with different personalities and not everyone is going to get along.. people are aggressive to eachother for a ton of different reasons. why do you automatically revert to race being the issue? are you saying you are 100% of the time always doing everything right in clinic or research setting? the answer is no. and you will be called out on that by faculty. but you in your brain will relate it to race when its legit just normal interaction. everyone gets reprimanded > sounds like you're racist too :) It always is that deep. Insulting actaully to assume people who face discrimination pretty often DON'T know what discrimnation is.

the adjacent building connected to the hospital

Penn State, Northwestern, Yale (kind of), Georgetown, Ohio State, Brown, Cleveland Clinic, UPMC, UTHSC (tennessee), Zucker/Northwell, Emory, Mizzou, WVU, Dartmouth

wait I didn't know about Northwestern, are we sure?

Exact wording: "We are very excited to welcome you to the Northwestern University combined Medicine-Dermatology interviews, which also serves as interviews for either the categorical Medicine and/or advanced Dermatology tracks, if you have applied to either of those Northwestern programs. "

northwestern med derm counts for prelim.

Penn state does??

yes Penn state does, presented to us on interview day

what about northwestern regular Derm/peds derm> NW med derm counts for advanced derm NW position + med derm position. NOT prelim. You can ask to be considered for categorical IM, but that was not guaranteed by just applying.

on that note, which programs give you an automatic prelim interview? brown, dartmouth, more idk

nah id say not in the traditional sense

Why did so many people not get interviews this year then?

can be either, mine was AM but then another group was logging on for PM

ya i guess a few minutes early like normal

ya, I'm PM (12:00-5:30)> so are you logging on at like 11:50AM-12:00 PM? Do we need to log in earlier?

what were the vibes like??

ehhhh idk

how so?

first interview day is later this week

usual, it's known that they only interview ~1/2 of their aways, you'll just have to weigh how strongly you want to match there/how strong of an applicant you think you are and how likely you are to impress with those odds

try to be honest with yourself about how well you do in a social setting! if you are a hard worker and pleasant to be around it will go a long way

agree with this - I'm very glad I rotated at Brown this year

I had a great experience rotating at Brown and learned a lot, but did not receive an interview. Even if you have the stats + did well on the rotation you are not guaranteed an interview. If I could go back in time, I'd probably choose a place with better odds of getting an interview like Emory.

> how do you impress on aways?

POOP

personally I think it ends up being 80% personality and 20% knowledge/technical skills, if you click with people and are pleasant to be around that goes a long way

the ppl I rotated with were pretty chill and we all made a group chat, we are all at around 3-6 interviews and none of us got an interview at the place we rotated - from all my aways I thought they were the chillest and most cool ppl so idk what the program is looking for lol

Same. I did an away at Brown and am one of the 9 people who didn't get an interview offer. I wonder how may of my corotators did and if it was a "me" problem.

POOP

what month were you?

I don't want to out myself but I was in the fall.

also rotated in fall and didn't get an interview

I'm really sorry. I reached out to get feedback on my app. I was feeling really down about it because I thought I did a good job and my app was strong. I'm trying to stay humble and not complain, but tbh I'm very surprised at the programs that chose to interview me. They're pretty much all the ones I doubted I would get interviews based on location/connections/fit. The ones I thought I would be a good fit for didn't interview me. I didn't get 2/3 of my golds either. The 1/3 gold that I did get interviews all their rotators. Def a hit to my self esteem.

Same. Did they give any useful feedback on your app? I was debating whether or not to reach out as well

I just got a response today. I did not get any useful feedback. They basically said in more words I just didn't score as highly as others and they had a lot of qualified applicants. I think it's just a very tough year tbh. He said I was a great applicant and would be a great resident so I'm trying to hold faith in that. Self esteem def at an all time low though.

Not sure what you mean by yield protection, but programs 100% factor the likeihood on whether an applicant would want to come to a program in their ranking (e.g., programs from the Midwest/Mountain/South would rank the East/West Coasters lower if the applicant does not give the program strong reason why they would want to come there)

I think yield protection is real (maybe just cope) but I have a PhD and didn't get any interviews at "less competitive" places like Henry Ford, Brown, and community places despite interviews at more "top" places

I hAvE a PhD wHy dIdnT bRoWarD wAnT me

Brown is less competitive what ru saying?

me when I didnt get an HonorHealth interview.. >

It's real for sure

babies when they pass meconium be like> this is so insensitive...

meconium isn't even brown ;)

me when i dont get the joke