Emory Univ SOM-GA

< Also declined another program on that date, so hopefully a trickle is headed to someone

< woot congrats!!! x2

XD >> meme king is back and severely depressed :) :( < this process sucks. do you have people to vent to?

yes and no, i have alcohol and my wall > oof, sorry man. don't know what to say :( << ugh you sound just like my wall. jk thanks for your thoughts though :)

XD king

probably Harvard. Not sure who else has telederm

A lot of other schools have strong telederm programs << like who? <emory< a lot of programs have integrated it at one of their sites. VA commonly has telederm at a few programs across the country.

Iowa, BU, Michigan, mizzou, etc

ok but which one is best? how is Pitt?

not sure which is best, but some google searching may tell you. I hear Mizzou's is strong

Top tier: UPenn Harvard UCSF NYU Mayo Michigan, Emory, Henry Ford?) and Michigan and Mayo are not top tier. Would add Stanford, Hopkins, and UCLA instead)

would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow

UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly

UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.

No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo

Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5

To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs

MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts

1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt

<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too

<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.

<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.

I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.

name me a state with better Mexican food tho

< internal? external? rotator? was really hoping i'd get this one ! x5 external 0 ties 100 excitement! << Congrats!! was it more of a group ERAS msg or individualized? x2

group ERAS message << as Vader would say, Noooooooo! << Just the 1 interview date, right?

yes.

only x4 so far?

<<I think they interview on rotation so externals are the only people they invite for this

fml x8 >> V SAD BUT CONGRATS TO YOU ALL :')

PSA: hey emory can u send another round of invites?

does anyone send second waves? there haven't been any so far << ya when are these alleged second waves coming and from whom

non-existent <fml << on bright side, emory has 9 program conflicts, so they could be a trickle?

I rotated at Emory and was told by the PD that they interview about 25 people that are home/rotators (during their rotation) and bring in another 20-25 on their one interview day

< so basically game over <sorry :(

Any 2 applicants?

no, I don't think they're accepting 2 this year...per the website <they no longer have a 2 track

MSTP here, got invite, said I want a basic lab in PS, nothing said about research in invite however <again, they do not have a research track any more (I'm an MD/PhD who rotated)

every day is quiet when you're not getting interview invites :(( but yeah it's quiet OMG LOOK WHAT YOU DID

lol where is Emory? just 1 interview date less than a month away?

x2

< which were they?<Emory, UIC, U of MI, others?<<Emory, UIC, 2nd wave for Johns Hopkins and Vanderbilt

< Emory and JHU seem due

< I am not surprised that Emory is up there in this ranking. As a west coaster, I was pleasantly surprised and impressed by their work at this year's Society for Investigative Dermatology. Their epi output is phenomenal. <amen

< Yup and these rankings also shed light on some under the radar programs

< Is Miami actually a good program? I heard it is pretty malignant >> heard that too <rotated at Miami and did not see any malignancy, although for a variety of reasons I did not love the program or city

what about the program? <I personally felt like I didn't really fit in and also felt they were heavy on cosmetics. For others I'm sure that would be a plus!

From 2014?

< but likely not that changed. there is an older one in Cutis with similar methodology out there but rankings still fairly similar to this one

the gray box always brings the anxiety lol << green and red for me x3

lol, why red? If you didn't get a rejection yourself, that's good! << that's the cue for me to check and its typically correct lol x2

My guess: Mt. Sinai, Wake, Howard, UCSF, Harvard, U penn, NYU

< you forgot UTAH

NYU??? x2

absolutely NYU << dang one would think that best skin of color training would occur in places with high % skin of color pop (Detroit, Birmingham, Baltimore, etc)

really UTAH?

I think sarcasm

What about Henry Ford, Emory, UNC, NW? Henry Ford PD actually felt the need to reassure us during the interview presentation that they get to see skin cancer at community clinics because the main hospital is so heavily just skin of color

<I rotated at UNC and felt it was very diverse - agreed, very pleasantly surprised

Another vote for Wake Forest! Amy McMichael is an amazing doctor and person!

<- WF faculty seems diverse, but their patient population is still pretty rural and not as diverse

yes, but Dr. McMichael has an interest in SOC so tailors her teaching/clinic to that. She gave a talk to our program a few years ago, hence the fangirling.

Also, Hopkins has a specific initiative to support underrepresented minority faculty and residents.

would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow

UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly

UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.

No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo

Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5

To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs

MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts

1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt

<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too

<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.

<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.

I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.

name me a state with better Mexican food tho

group ERAS message << as Vader would say, Noooooooo! << Just the 1 interview date, right?

yes.

only x4 so far?

<<I think they interview on rotation so externals are the only people they invite for this

fml x8 >> V SAD BUT CONGRATS TO YOU ALL :')

PSA: hey emory can u send another round of invites?

does anyone send second waves? there haven't been any so far << ya when are these alleged second waves coming and from whom

non-existent <fml << on bright side, emory has 9 program conflicts, so they could be a trickle?

I rotated at Emory and was told by the PD that they interview about 25 people that are home/rotators (during their rotation) and bring in another 20-25 on their one interview day

< so basically game over <sorry :(

Any 2 applicants?

no, I don't think they're accepting 2 this year...per the website <they no longer have a 2 track

MSTP here, got invite, said I want a basic lab in PS, nothing said about research in invite however <again, they do not have a research track any more (I'm an MD/PhD who rotated)

agree with NYU, really left a strong impression on me. Another underrated one was Michigan. I thought the interview staff were exceptional and the interviewers had all read my app/had insightful questions

Emory!!!! Just kidding ... UVA was really solid

I'm actually so suprised by Michigan! That goes to show that you take the things said on the internet with a grain of salt. What ever malignancy that was there is definitely in the past. So many great changes have been made and the residents were genuinely happy.

interview day doesn't always equate to what it is actually like to work there x2

hopefully Michigan has changed as people have said since that post a few years back. I have friends who are there for things like ENT and plastics and they're known for having one of the best surgical cultures in the country

UAB! If this program were in a more popular or sexy location it would be a top tier type program. Extremely well-rounded with a big wig chair who advocates like heck for her residents for fellowships, jobs (private or academic). Residents get their fellowships in a very happy collegial atmosphere. Low COL, high QOL, overall awesome!

MCW! residents are incredibly nice, faculty is diverse in training and the program is growing. During the interview, chair is ambitious (he is an incredibly big name) and really trying to seel program. He has already accomplished a lot. Low COL and they really wanted everyone to be there. I also interviewed at UAB, it did not feel top tier. The faculty is incredibly small for it to be a top tier... yeah I was really disappointed by UAB too

MCG having a 100% Mohs match rate was impressive to me given the national averages

over what time frame?

I think is quite new program

Not sure over what time frame but seemed like since the chair has been there. the program was started in 1967 so not exactly new

agree with NYU...definitely solidified itself as #1 program in the country << you're trying too hard with this comment

< Yup and these rankings also shed light on some under the radar programs

< Is Miami actually a good program? I heard it is pretty malignant >> heard that too <rotated at Miami and did not see any malignancy, although for a variety of reasons I did not love the program or city

what about the program? <I personally felt like I didn't really fit in and also felt they were heavy on cosmetics. For others I'm sure that would be a plus!

From 2014?

< but likely not that changed. there is an older one in Cutis with similar methodology out there but rankings still fairly similar to this one

lol where is Emory? just 1 interview date less than a month away?