Henry Ford Hospital-MI

would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow

UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly

UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.

No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo

Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5

To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs

MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts

1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt

<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too

<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.

<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.

I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.

name me a state with better Mexican food tho

I'd like to give a nod to the University of Missouri for the pizza at lunch. Bahn Mi pizza was delicious

Henry Ford for the best snacks. Dried fruit, chocolate covered (dont remember what), and Rx bars

tx

Miami. That Cuban food was so good

I love this town, the people, the food - pork sandwiches - my favorite ... but tonight I'm hungry for something different

UCSFx2 gotta love that sushi and ice cream sandwich combo

Kaiser lunch had bomb build your own bibimbap

TX A&M had chick fil a sandwiches so them for sure

Yale "foods of New Haven" was bomb x 2

The Mexican food at Stanford + the mediterranean food at stanford

Dartmouth pre-fixe farm to table dinner the night before

How the hell does such a random program get so highly ranked?

Could you elaborate on the "ranking"/reputation?

Given that there are no reliable published rankings for dermatology residency programs, it seems to be mostly word of mouth. Having grown up and attended both undergrad and med school in MI, can confirm. HF is often cited as one of the "top 5/top10" derm programs. Lots of diversity given proximity to detroit. Extremely strong faculty.

Agree with this (Michigander here): they have a typical county hospital population with lots of zebras, people with advanced disease.

<- Thank you!! Very helpful.

<<yes! they definitely messed up the days of the week (ie monday vs friday)

Pay for hotel, which is nice! x10000

Of note, Henry Ford traditionally does not extend interviews on multiple dates. // You mean last year they only had 1 date? << Yes

Henry Ford and Wayne state are SEPARATE programs. HF also has an association with wayne so that's why it's named like that.

Which Derm programs offer free hotel? Henry Ford, Mayo-Rochester, Mayo-AZ... others? Penn State, I'm there this week.

Nice

Geisinger pays fo hotel as well

Mayo-Jacksonville too

Southern Illinois university as well

Does it matter to go to a program with a home fellowship if you're potentially interested in doing a Mohs fellowship? Or which program you are in/their level of surgical training?

how competitive is Mohs to get into? Are there stats on # of applicants and # accepted?

i think its extremely competitive, abuot 50% match rate see https://www.sfmatch.org/SpecialtyInsideAll.aspx?id=10&typ=1&name=Procedural%20Dermatology%20%28Mohs%29# statistics tab, 95 applilcants for 58 spots << wow the stressful competition never ends...so even if you're at a top derm program there is still a 50% chance you wont' match Mohs | It is crazy competitive. Also if multiple coresidents are applying makes it more competitive unfortunately.

There are some benefits to doing a program without a Mohs fellowship since the residents get to be more hands on and don't have to compete with fellows for good cases.

HF has strong surgical training

Iowa as well!

This made me smile in a good way. Thanks

love this :)

i think that's going to happen to anyone who doesn't match their #1, or maybe #2.

Everyone at Henry Ford. >> That's super rude. HF is a top notch program and I gaurantee their residents are there because they like it. They are super happy and living life. Not sure why you feel the need to hate on their program << Because they REJECTED me today! Screw em.

I would LOVE to match at HF!!!!!

How great of a program is Henry Ford?

Daily lectures at 7:30 Clinic scheduled to 5PM ten notes residents often sta past 6PM daily ... you decide

lol also world leaders in subspecialties, some of the biggest names in the field, cutting edge trials and supportive faculty but to each their own

< not very according to doximity <HF is well-respected program

<but can doximity be trusted?

if not, what else could be trusted though?

very true there are not many derm rankings that are updated annualy

< Doximity is pretty poop at rankings

< ok Einstein why don't you make the rankings then

<yeah people always shit on doximity but what's the rationale behind why it sucks so much? The top programs make sense

<HF is a very well respected program IMO

I actually think it's looking more and more acurate...< But what does it mean to be accurate? And again subjective "I actually think ..."

after the top 10 it's subjective, and it really doesn't matter. top 10 or busstttt

The only thing that's garbage are the people who keep bumping HF as an upper top tier program. Give me a break. x8

What is this, Greek Rank? Lol