UC San Francisco-CA

The best one is the one you like the most (+/- the one in the city you like the most)

This obsession with T5s, jeez. If it makes you happy, great! At the end of the day you will be a dermatologis though. People from not T5s end up as faculty at T5s all the time, and many T5 residents end up going into private practice.

why

bc i want to weigh my options before applying

you apply based on ties, connections, and location pref. Otherwise, everything else is basically RNG. Godspeed if you're aiming for T5

thank you, but connections and RNG aside, and im willing to move anywhere, are they created equal or is one going to give an edge? not trying to be a snob or anything. just want genuine info for life changing career decisions

Don't love the way the question was framed about which t5 is the "worst" - they are all great for different reasons (as are non T5 programs). Harvard is great for inpatient and complex med-derm along with network; less ideal for QoL. UCSF is great for clinical volume, location, mentorship; less ideal for QoL, exploring non-clinical interests given the more busy schedule/various sites. Penn is a good balance of clinical training, research, QoL but def leans much more academic and location is not for everyone. NYU is great for clinical volume, procedural derm, network, research; less ideal for those who aren't into NYC and its pace. Stanford is great for research, innovation, kind faculty; less ideal for Mohs, clinical volume/diversity. Just a few thougts, but again. Matching derm anywhere is a huge accomplishment - don't focus too much on the rankings, focus on the personal fit for you.

someone who thinks they're better than any of the T5s is about to get a rude awakening lol

I feel like knowing where to do your audition rotations is so critical to matching but if you're outside of the state, you only know if you have inside information on how the actual residency program runs, which it seems like only home med students know.

I feel like knowing where to do your audition rotations is so critical to matching but if you're outside of the state, you only know if you have inside information on how the actual residency program runs, which it seems like only home med students know. But I feel like only certain types of students can rotate at places like Penn, Harvard, UCSF, etc. and have a reasonable chance of getting an interview. For most of us, it's a waste.

the cliquiness is sooo true. I felt put off at the social event because the residents would specifically interact and be super friendly with all the rotaters/internal students they knew, and no one knew me in the zoom call

yes, stanford in there too. there are really 6 T5 programs.

if you care about prestige... i wish you well

I'd say biggest difference is location/city vibes. also harvard covers hospitals in different locations vs some others are a bit more centralized, but boston maybe has better public transport than the others

when its derm, matching is all that matters

this

people talk badly about stanford on here but it's the best resident salary in the country (even accounting for COL) with a more balanced QOL than other T5 programs (Harvard, UCSF) idk

people talk badly about stanford on here but it's the best resident salary in the country (even accounting for COL) with a more balanced QOL than other T5 programs (Harvard, UCSF) idk >compare to penn?

people say the training at penn is better and i can't speak to that (certainly more big names at penn, more research output) but im not saying what program is best just that some great programs get hated on and its not super clear why to me

people say the training at penn is better (certainly more big names at penn, more research output) but even if true idk why people go after stanford

the less call/inpatient time the better

Stanford is trash

case in point :)

You're not alone...many people fell outside of their top 5

be grateful to have matched, but totally understandable to feel sad

fell down to my 7th (first 7 were all within T10)

Fell to #5 as well! My top 3 ranks were T5 programs and thought I would match my #4 realistically then didn't, but I believe this is actually the best outcome for me.

this is derm. no one is "too good" for a program. lucky to match anywhere

same

matched at my 7/7 you are not alone

this is derm. no one is "too good" for a program. lucky to match anywhere +!

Fell to #5/21 but overall very happy

matched at my #6 and my top 5 were all T10 except one, really thought i was going to match in a different city than I did. I go through waves of dissapointment but have to keep reminding myself to be grateful. It's a weird feeling

also maybe obvious but depends on how you make your own rank list too. i didn't fall down my list, but i also put t5s like harvard and ucsf closer to the bottom lol (great programs, but not for me)

just curious, why not?

each had several reasons for being lower on my list, ranging from program/educational structure to locations etc, and those factors (when taken collectively) made them feel like less of a good fit for me compared to other programs

I don't think this is true. The PD at Penn is VERY clear they DO NOT do post II communication. he feels very strongly about it

same with UCSF's PD..> the whole thing strikes me as BS especially with the earlier link to an article with a paid mentoring service

I know people who got rtm calls from penn pd

sure buddy

I heard people who got Pen was for tracks and not by PD

100% serious that I know schools that do post-ii communications/rtm calls when they tell everyone that they are hellbent on no post-ii communication. Just beacuse a PD says it does not mean they won't do it experiencing this gave me trust issues tbh lol

PD's will do anything to get the best of the best, RTM calls happen because programs are selfish

well at least i know i'm not the best of the best yeee

I matched at one of the programs listed above, no RTM call. This rtm thing was absolute bs

I got 4 RTM calls. One is my top choice so we'll see if they're actually telling the truth. It might be a small group of people receiving the majority of them. I went to a T5 med school and did a RY at a neighboring research power house that was very productive. Most people march without them do don't worry!

ok this is my legit prediction i have no info to back this up. But what if the programs doing the RTM calls are the UPenn, Stanford, UCSF-type programs that don't want to lose out on applicants because they picked HMS. Akin to med school applications where programs knew based on historical data it would be hard to convince applicants to drop an HMS acceptance?

ucsf explicitly said they dont do these calls btw

ucsf student here, they do it undercover several classmates of mine got some

lmfao get real

yeah sure jan..

anyone know if harvard does RTM call

Ik the pd personally, they call 2-3 ppl (source resident)

omg i'm going to jump off of the golden gate bridge

i mean i guess that just means you're at the top of their list? which doesn't mean you won't match there

lol why would a harvard resident be on this gooner sheet

dude its hms, ofc they want you to beg for it with a LOI...

this is bullshit yall are lame

when does harvard usually do the RTM calls?

parking is NOT free

they do get meal money tho

a lot

clinics super busy, lots of consults as well

could u give a rough estimate of timings?

do people also know how admin inbox coverage looks like and if their clinics are resident-run or attending-run?

Clinics are 9-5 but typically run over by up to an hr. Didactics sometimes start at 7

didactics are never at 7? Always on zoom 8-9

it still hurt sm even though I knew I wasn't getting one

really should have been a text email instead of a pdf lol

any news from other PGY2

this was for the regular spot (I think?) not PGY2>pretty sure it was for the PGY2 spot at UCSF

agreed i got the rejection letter and only applied for PGY2 spot >regular and got the rejection

why not? don't have to spend money to be there in person

which programs are doing these?> ucsf I guess

MCG will probably go to internals, on the internals tab they have a lot of reapplicants and they usually only take internals and away rotators

never say never!