Henry Ford Hospital-MI

< is Pitt considered a top program? What is it known for

don't think they're really known for anything lol

are you kidding me? lol Mohs... Zitelli

he isn't involved in the residency though. other than a couple days with him

Favorite: HF, Least Favorite: Broward (Florida) << curious, why Henry Ford? << Same question, one of my least favorites so far.

Not the original poster to the left, but Henry Ford was super impressive. Very happy residents and all the resources of a top program. Detroit wasn't nearly as bad as I imagined, or at least not the area where the residency is

I was told Vermont has a great Mohs program

Does it matter to go to a program with a home fellowship if you're potentially interested in doing a Mohs fellowship? Or which program you are in/their level of surgical training?

how competitive is Mohs to get into? Are there stats on # of applicants and # accepted?

i think its extremely competitive, abuot 50% match rate see https://www.sfmatch.org/SpecialtyInsideAll.aspx?id=10&typ=1&name=Procedural%20Dermatology%20%28Mohs%29# statistics tab, 95 applilcants for 58 spots << wow the stressful competition never ends...so even if you're at a top derm program there is still a 50% chance you wont' match Mohs | It is crazy competitive. Also if multiple coresidents are applying makes it more competitive unfortunately.

There are some benefits to doing a program without a Mohs fellowship since the residents get to be more hands on and don't have to compete with fellows for good cases.

HF has strong surgical training

Iowa as well!

Any program with daily didatics before 8am. <name names x2

UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI HAS DIDACTICS AT 7AM EVERY DAY << HF has morning lectures <<LOL someone deleted UCSF being malignant

UCSF is malignant

how are 7am lectures = MALIGNANT? I think people are confusing working hard and dedicated learning with malignant LOL << I don't think anyone is conflating 7AM with malignant. It was a seperate question.

the initial response though spoke of lectures before 8am = malignant, so it can be inferrered the subsequent responses were in the same vein

I've heard that Stanford is very very....NON malignant <uhhhhm i've never heard that before

originally it said not malignant, some foo edited it

resident lurker here FYI UCSF's lectures start at 8 am everyday not 7 am. There is a 7:30 am dermpath session before lecture on Tuesdays.

Top tier: UPenn Harvard UCSF NYU Mayo Michigan, Emory, Henry Ford?) and Michigan and Mayo are not top tier. Would add Stanford, Hopkins, and UCLA instead)

would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow

UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly

UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.

No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo

Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5

To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs

MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts

1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt

<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too

<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.

<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.

I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.

name me a state with better Mexican food tho

How much $ are you offering? << Hope this is a joke. Of note, the University of MN mentioned a zero-tolerance policy on people taking compensation for swapping dates.

<< guys, it's probably the same jerk asking for money for interviews, deleting SD's content, making troll post after troll post.

Lol it’s not and it was obv a joke...relax guys

Whoever keeps asking for money, can you stop! It’s not remotely funny even if you mean it as a joke. It’s childish and makes people afraid to participate.

Apologies

yes x3< thanks. thought im the only one still waiting

< heard back this AM, did not resend invitation confirmation form after the date revision << thanks, sounds like she's still working through scheduling

Anybody else flying in? Seems like the form almost discourages it // they are just far from the airport << what dates did you guys prefer?<I got 11/25. Looking to split an uber from the airport if anybody else is flying in then << looking for uber-share on 1/10 as well if anyone interested >> I'm 11/25 as well; flying in 11/24 @2pm, happy to splitsy an uber>>Awesome! Perfect timing, if its actully $40-45 each way it'd be great to save almost $50 >>gotchu --- I arrive at 1 pm can I get in on this Uber pool as well?

<< This is a long post with some relevant data in addition to your predictions. Hope you all find this useful and have a goodnight! -SD << You're #1 in my heart. Thanks SD <3 x7 <<< SheetDaddy fan here, but I think if the posts were smaller, more morsels/highlights, like the first program prediction/tally template - we'd probably get most people on board. On mobile a post like this to the left takes up entire screen

<-- Download the "Calm" App. << why? << because this is neurotic! << Chill out bro, don't read it if you don't like it instead of being negative. Maybe you should spend your time using the "calm" app instead of being up everyones ass x6 << this actually is pretty neurotic, and I don't think saying something is neurotic should invite such a volatile response. Like damn this whole SD shit is becoming cult-like and stupid.

Hey SD--how many interviews do you have? x2

sdff

<yes, heard back about an hour ago! x2 << I haven't :( as of 15:30 CST x4 << to the person who heard back, did you send them another email this morning with their updated dates? Or just your initial email yesterday? x2 >>I emailed right away yesterday before the new email today! << internal? and/or regional? >> neither. definitely probably just responding as she gets through them!>>Anybody with 11/25 interview want to split Ubers to/from the airport? Trying to figure out if it's going to be better to fly or drive

How great of a program is Henry Ford?

Daily lectures at 7:30 Clinic scheduled to 5PM ten notes residents often sta past 6PM daily ... you decide

lol also world leaders in subspecialties, some of the biggest names in the field, cutting edge trials and supportive faculty but to each their own

< not very according to doximity <HF is well-respected program

<but can doximity be trusted?

if not, what else could be trusted though?

very true there are not many derm rankings that are updated annualy

< Doximity is pretty poop at rankings

< ok Einstein why don't you make the rankings then

<yeah people always shit on doximity but what's the rationale behind why it sucks so much? The top programs make sense

<HF is a very well respected program IMO

Thanks dad!!!

really f'ing good

I've definitely heard several positive things about their Dermatology << Pro: great clinical program, Con: Detroit << Bahahahaha. Poor Detroit.

How the hell does such a random program get so highly ranked?

Could you elaborate on the "ranking"/reputation?

Given that there are no reliable published rankings for dermatology residency programs, it seems to be mostly word of mouth. Having grown up and attended both undergrad and med school in MI, can confirm. HF is often cited as one of the "top 5/top10" derm programs. Lots of diversity given proximity to detroit. Extremely strong faculty.

Agree with this (Michigander here): they have a typical county hospital population with lots of zebras, people with advanced disease.

<- Thank you!! Very helpful.

< You know, there is the entirety of the West Coast to consider. We're still in business hours << I don't think it's updated to say we're done, just a running tally (the same row is moved up) << just updated it << 10+ person, can you please press CTRL+Z to not erase the field that was there or use the function to get the past entry back << Thank you for reverting it back to original

<<Anyone a bit confused by the dates? lol << On the flip side, they offer free hotel! Super cool x2 << forgive my ignorgance, but are Henry Ford & Wayne St the same program? I thought they were separate, but the invite had from both of them? << what are the dates?

<<yes! they definitely messed up the days of the week (ie monday vs friday)

Pay for hotel, which is nice! x10000

Of note, Henry Ford traditionally does not extend interviews on multiple dates. // You mean last year they only had 1 date? << Yes

Henry Ford and Wayne state are SEPARATE programs. HF also has an association with wayne so that's why it's named like that.

My guess: Mt. Sinai, Wake, Howard, UCSF, Harvard, U penn, NYU

< you forgot UTAH

NYU??? x2

absolutely NYU << dang one would think that best skin of color training would occur in places with high % skin of color pop (Detroit, Birmingham, Baltimore, etc)

really UTAH?

I think sarcasm

What about Henry Ford, Emory, UNC, NW? Henry Ford PD actually felt the need to reassure us during the interview presentation that they get to see skin cancer at community clinics because the main hospital is so heavily just skin of color

<I rotated at UNC and felt it was very diverse - agreed, very pleasantly surprised

Another vote for Wake Forest! Amy McMichael is an amazing doctor and person!

<- WF faculty seems diverse, but their patient population is still pretty rural and not as diverse

yes, but Dr. McMichael has an interest in SOC so tailors her teaching/clinic to that. She gave a talk to our program a few years ago, hence the fangirling.

Also, Hopkins has a specific initiative to support underrepresented minority faculty and residents.

UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI HAS DIDACTICS AT 7AM EVERY DAY << HF has morning lectures <<LOL someone deleted UCSF being malignant

UCSF is malignant

how are 7am lectures = MALIGNANT? I think people are confusing working hard and dedicated learning with malignant LOL << I don't think anyone is conflating 7AM with malignant. It was a seperate question.

the initial response though spoke of lectures before 8am = malignant, so it can be inferrered the subsequent responses were in the same vein

I've heard that Stanford is very very....NON malignant <uhhhhm i've never heard that before

originally it said not malignant, some foo edited it

resident lurker here FYI UCSF's lectures start at 8 am everyday not 7 am. There is a 7:30 am dermpath session before lecture on Tuesdays.