Mayo Clinic School of Grad Med Educ-MN

yes. They seem like they are of comparable rank. NW is in the top 10. Definitely can't compare NW with Rochester or UTSW. < You can't go wrong with any of these. I feel like you're splitting hairs with regard to quality of training and should be basing your decision off of location. x2

UTSW is known to be INTENSE you will be HIGHLY trained. Northwestern AMAZING Pediatric dermatology exposure & Mohs. Mayo = Great COMPLEX med derm and research support (you get dedicated research assistants etc.) Depends on your career goals. ALL will prepare you for Academic Medicine. If you want to do Mohs I would say UTSW>NW>Mayo If you want PEDS NW>Mayo>UTSW

Go to Northwestern. You'll be glad you did.

False completely. If mohs, go to Mayo, they have 3 internal spots, and in recent recent years, they have matched 5-6 residents yearly to mohs. However, they are not well known to churning out academic derm (last 3 years, no one is going to academic). They really care about fits more than score, medical school reputation and research

<even with name, they have TREMENDOUS difficulty attracting actual top tier applicants, Rochester is just... you know

Great for if I failed CS. x2

would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow

UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly

UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.

No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo

Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5

To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs

MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts

1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt

<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too

<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.

<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.

I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.

name me a state with better Mexican food tho

why are you so protective of your information? It's not like it can be used to steal your identity

Someone is so damn desperate to go to Mayo-MN --- trust no one

I interviewed and don't recall anything about that

I do remember something about a 7 point plan that they had to create with ACGME to improve the program.

yeah this was because ACGME found a bunch of issues and was also why the PD was changed recently

< it's true.

fuck off mayo... who is selling you my info -- We paid them $26 to steal our info when we were dumb enough to apply to them on ERAS, which means we literally paid them to steal our data

I stopped adding mayo to anything I cook or eat << Love this!

(please trickle on me, I just one drop of that sweet nectar on my tongue)

lol i like how this was added before column A was even done . <<haha i saw the red flash there and assumed it was for mayo

that's why I thought I'd start with the red fill rather than putting people through the !!! new invite? wait

much appreciated

And none for Gretchen Weiners

I'm dying

ha i dont think so, give an example? Example = Mayo Rochester. << this is the best circular logic i've seen in this spreadsheet lmfao <<snowflake wanted mayo interview obvs. <<< Yeah I'm sure they get near top rankings by sifting thru a thin stack compared to Sunny Place St. University. SMH

Even though Mayo Rochester's location may be less than ideal, they still invite and match stellar candidates, I wouldn't devalue this person's invite. <-- I don't mean to devalue, but I also think people "overvalue" invites from certain programs.

i heard mayo matched all outside residents this year and none of their residents that applied matched....idk if true or a rumor.

Having had a few interactions with Dr Alam, i wouldnt say he’s overtly arrogant. He is very direct but also has a sense of humor. Not sure how he compares with other mohs attendings in terms of how he treats his fellows though

Scrubs on surgery and inpatient consults. Otherwise you wear a suit

:( << there are programs that conflict with their dates so there is plenty of hope for the trickle effect. Keep in mind that the program is very small with 2 residents, so not a lot of interviews to begin with, so I wouldn't take it personally

What interviews conflict w/ Mayo FL?

feel like invites are long overdue for them << instead of factoring it on last year's contact dates, a better predictor has been when the interview dates are coming up. both hopkins & mayo-AZ are in January <thank you, that's helpful to consider :)

Still a bunch of December programs haven't invited yet

ehh year after year they recruit 3 off the waitlist. Trust the process haha! No biggie just venting