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their program tends to have more rotators than they have space for due to how many home students they have etc. I wouldn't bank on a letter from them from an away

also have an away at UIC with no connections, was it a mistake to apply here lol theres no info about it on the spreadsheets

RIP i guess we work with what we have

An away

no away since it still teaches you derm and fulfulls grad requirements.

people from Vanderbilt might assume they have a better chance bc their school is "better" or "higher in rankings" so may not try as hard on rotations or with creating connections. Personal opinion

Harvard matched 14, Hopkins 10 and Penn 10 -- I'm kinda seeing a pattern there lol

vanderbilt only had 1 person apply derm this year

14 is crazy

last year penn had almost 10 unmatched tho

UIC matched 7 which is impressive for mid tier

Harvard didn't match 14, matched 11.

vanderbilt only had 1 person apply derm this year << I imagine one of the reasons Colorado's med students had an easier time getting into Derm as because of the dermatoepidemiology research of Dr. Dellavalle where he cranks out publications like crazy.

The best schools match the best, maybe its school name maybe its cuz those ppl are cracked. I've heard my PD say that the top programs care more about med school rank

he left CO a few years ago so idk how many current applicants even worked with him

Harvard matched 11, some students went unmatched

vanderbilt only had 1 person apply derm this year << I imagine one of the reasons Colorado's med students had an easier time getting into Derm is because of the dermatoepidemiology research of Dr. Dellavalle since he cranks out publications like crazy.

there was that one Harvard student on here who had 0 interviews because Harvard doesn't even interview all their internal applicants

that student had 0 IIs for a reason though

what was the reason???

loyola --> uic --> cook county ; I agree. Anything is better than Cook County lol (source: rotated there)

isn't this a violation?

Of course it is!

im not doxxing myself haha I honestly was sharing because I was shocked that it happened.

can you give us a region, i want the tea

midwest

As an aside to quell people's neuroticism, this school is not Rush nor UIC :)

obivously oklahoma

take a shot

wtf man

u weird for this

it's cap for attention

people

On my away got the sense that residents were rude? anyone else? Half of the faculty were so nice but other half were also a bit off putting?

residents mean girl energy

not the best place culture wise, longer hours than the rest of the chicago derm programs (Rush, UIC), lack of funds/resources, complex patients with poor medication adherence as it is a safety net hospital, uses antiquated Cerner, on-and-off probation w/ high faculty turnover, genuinely dreary vibes. The cafeteria food is average but there is a pretty close food center across a major road (w/ chipotle, starbucks, pita pita, 5-guys, buffalo wild wings, panda express, auntie annes, and carvel). The good: Chicago, there is a fro-yo spot in the main lobby of the part of the building the derm clinic is in, high patient volume, famous german dermatopathology attending.

froyo in the main lobby... I fear I'd never be skinny again

cerner is fire shut yo mouth

heard they DO NOT have long hours, but the exact opposite, not enough patient volume and work a lot of half days because of it (just what I've heard tho)

resident here, it would help if you gave some more info - throw a couple of names out or regions. Because what specific high tier are we talking about and what community program?

mostly debating NYU/Yale vs a smaller Chicago program

This is just my opinion, but I would go with NYU/Yale personally. NYU>>> for me though because it's a much better location. If we're talking Rush, UIC, Loyola then it would be fine to go there. But if it is cook county I definitely wouldnt recommend it.

NYU rocks

OP here, thanks everyone! have lots to think about (it's not cook county, so I guess need to do some reflection on how strongly I feel about academics)

doxxing students # of aways is not the answer lmao im sure if you were accepted to 3+ aways and they all fit in your schedule you would have done them too

I suspect the more this becomes an arms race, the more restrictions will be implemented. It’ll just reach a point where so many people apply to aways that it’s not sustainable, and then doing an away will simply not mean anything anymore.

POOP

i disagree. follow the rules

rules are dumb this is a zero sum game. Why would i cost myself an opportunity to rotate and potentially match at a program in favor of helping some random person out. Not to mention the fact that people who do research years or have connections prior to aways already have a separate advantage

honestly it'll depend on how strict your home program is, some home programs are quite adamant about only doing 2 aways, in which case you don't want to burn a bridge with your home program by going against your home PD guidance and doing more than that - if you don't have a home program/they don't care, I suppose go ahead and do as many as you want/can

reminder that the "max 2 away" guideline is a GUIDELINE, not a rule!

2/3 of my aways said when they check your rotations, they'll ding you (in whatever capacity) for going over

4/4 of mine did not even ask lol

all 3 of my aways asked where else I was rotating - obviously you could lie, but I'm not a great liar lol

a PD I worked with told me if he found out an applicant was breaking the APD guidelines for aways, they wouldn't consider the applicant same for all 3 of mine. (Northeast)

doing an away will always help bc it helps programs put a face to the name (unless you have no social skills/don't make a positive in person impression), it's just that it's becoming harder and harder to get them and some people hog them (ex., have heard of some MD students doing 7-8 aways) while others are struggling to even get 1 away

But it’s becoming more common that programs don’t prioritize away rotators, e.g. UTMB no longer guaranteeing interviews for away rotators

Presumably you still have a higher chance of matching as an away rotator who got an interview, than someone who got an interview with no connections though. I think people forget that aways are essentially a month long interview and they get to know you better than a half day formal interview. I know personally I would prefer no interview to a guaranteed courtesy interview for all aways. Like if for whatever reason they decided they weren't going to interview/rank you after spending a month there, I don't think a half day of interviews will change their mind much?

people fixate on number of interviews when it should be about quality, if an away program interviews everyone but is only going to rank half of those rotators high enough to potentially match, it benefits both the program and applicant for them to not guarantee interviews

when did you rotate?

in September> Looks like some people that were neither got interviews, RIP

disagree. both reported were home and away, what makes you say this?> In the interview offers tab, they say "neither" to "home or away?"

i think you're looking at UIC>Whoops, you're right

> it says zero spots left, i'm sorry :(

is uic coordinated release/one day? or potential for more interviews to go out?

I believe that's it >> really wanted this one sad