Case Western/Univ Hosps Cleveland Med Ctr-OH

I think most small programs 2 or fewer reisdents/class tend to take primarily away rotators/fellows not just Mayo AZ, however mayo AZ especially isnt worth it unless you did a research fellowship with them. Sinai also as you said, but they are a big program just with tons of fellows that are essentially guaranteed a spot. UCLA also past years has also taken primarily research fellows. Programs that heavily favor away rotators tend to be NYC programs, especially cornell. Texas programs tend to primarily recruit from texas schools or away rotators with texas connections. USF primarily takes those with regional connections. CWRU usually takes home students and their own research fellows. Wouldnt even bother with the Larkin programs unless you have no other choice and can pay for a spot. Hopefully this is helpful, will try to add more if I think of any

i think this is all good info but if your mentor has connecs and advocates for u, can still get interview w/o rotating/RY

Texas programs will take Texans that went to medical school outside of the state (got interviews at every Texas school I applied to and did medical school in another state - am Texan)

Ideally a program with a home Mohs program in addition to a track record of Mohs matches (ideally multiple per year). Obv this depends on the residency class and who wants to do Mohs, but if a program has not had a Mohs match for like 3+ years that would be a red flag to me

Also a program with really strong procedural derm access is important. Usually these include places with a county hospital and VA, in addition to community hospitals + university hospitals for surg training

Harvard

USC

Even more important than rotation mills are programs that only take their own research fellows. While rotation mills will still interview and match a percentage of their rotators (with variability between programs), programs that only take their research fellows will rotate and interview many of their rotators, but ultimately offer little to no chance of matching for those outside their fellows.

what programs do this besides sinai

what programs do this besides sinai, Mayo AZ

Rotating, signaling, and interviewing at these programs is a waste of time and is performative; they already know who they plan to take for the upcoming cycle

WashU

very true. Do NOT waste your time at Mayo AZ or Sinai. UConn also (at least this year). CWRU as well is a major rotation mill people need to talk more about

UCONN

Penn

Wake

CWRU

northwestern

Every other year uconn has taken a lot of their away rotators, including all their current residents.

How do you know they do this

i mean i assume some arent thoroughly looked at my PDs or chairs. SOme are most likely first come first serve but also increase your chance for an interview.

CWRU is first come first serve, and the PC picks them all

How do you know they do this

i mean i assume some arent thoroughly looked at my PDs or chairs. SOme are most likely first come first serve but also increase your chance for an interview.

CWRU is first come first serve, and the PC picks them all

biggest waste of gold signal rip

It's possible that all CWRU students wanted to stay.

yes! I'm a "home" student and former rotator - super formal vibes at Cleveland Clinic. Residents felt that the new PD was a drastic change from the old one who was a gem and well loved. Residents were looking forward to leaving because they felt the chill vibes have gone away and new admin are more stricter about things including attending conferences, scoring on derm exams, more scut work etc. Will probably be ranking the other programs in Cleveland higher just because the residents seemed unhappy with the changes to the program. Residents needed to manage the attending inbox which they said was a huge negative. Plus even tho there are in-house fellowships, there is no preference given for in-house residents for Mohs... Feels like there's more negatives here + it felt like the residents didn't have a voice

why are you putting quotes around "home"? Isn't case western a home program?

technically but not officially, CCF has their own med students at CCLCM

Ah, so case western is "home" that's why there's quotes I see >haha yeah its confusing for ppl not familiar with the cleveland med programs

UH>CCF>Metro

tea

I thought the residents were happier at Metro over CCF, I think research/ranking wise CCF defintely wins over Metro but for vibes and well-being I think Metro is better! personally doing UH>Metro>CCF>Metros just tough because its work distributed amongst 2-3 residents vs UH is 6 residents.

idk why this got deleted but just reiterating that the PD/APD at UH come off super inexperienced as well

rotated here and felt that way

heard this from a current resident

you guys should probably add this to Fame & Shame if people are deleting

lol how would you know that based on the breakout rooms?>CCF does not interview a lot of homes. Mostly CCLCMs and CWRU that rotates there

wondering this also

also wondering i didn't get anything!

got an email!

same, no clue but just gonna be waiting for their email i guess

I set a 9am alarm idk why

has anyone gotten an email for UH ?? i havent yet, its also not on my thalamus. Still nothing (12 EST)

I have a school opening at 6am tomorrow (EVMS) so just be careful and on the lookout!

I woke up late and they still haven't sent! also waiting

did you see something that would suggest two?

Idk if that's true, if you go on their site, they had interns who did not match at Emory but were TY interns

I believe they had two release times last year?

was it thalamus

standard email that said thalamus would come Wednesday

UH or MetroHealth?

metro

did anyone get an email from metro health or just a thalamus notification

that aint case western

technically it is, CWRU is associated with two programs

UH is more competitive tho right

yes