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Seems like downstate did. Cornell may have been internal only, but unclear
<thank god
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NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr-NY
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2025–2026 Derm
5 entries✅1. The didactics and the faculty were top tier. Location is hard to beat and so is the salary and housing. Residents seemed happier here than any other program I rotated at. They don't pay much attention to medical students compared to other schools, but were very kind when I made conversation. Seemed that they just wanted to focus on their work. Ranking highly.
✅2. I feel like I had a totally different experience than the shame commenter in terms of training. The residents I was with did essentially all procedures in clinic and let me help with some. The faculty rarely if ever stepped in, and when they did I thought they offered helpful clinical pearls. I wonder if this is attending dependent. I also felt that the consult service is very reasonable for their volume (2-3 months/year with the other 10ish months spent on clinic) and is a significant pro of the program because of the variety of cases you will see
❌1. One of the most overrated programs out there where it's only saving grace is the name and location. One of the allergy attendings is incredibly rude (ifykyk) and it's clear he does not give a damn about medical students or even residents for that matter. He should not be working with rotators if he hates them that much. Despite being in the city, vibes are very weird if you're a POC. Training is abysmal, residents are micromanaged for simple procedures like biopsies and rarely get the autonomy to do any themselves. A ridiculous proportion of your training is spent doing consult medicine which 99% of applicants are not even interested in. I ended up ranking very low due to my eye-opening horrible experience there.
❌2. Residents are be a bit standoff-ish and seem stressed overall. They like each other but not the med students. For example, a resident said they left a room bc they didnt want to be in there with the med student. If you do the 2 week IM rotation, it'll be hard to get an II bc you see less faculty. The 4 week is better bc you rotate with different faculty & they send the II once you finish the away. Residents are not part of the interview process but they will report back to faculty if there's concerns. The allergy guy in the previous comment is likely Dr. Z. He's def just blunt at first but then on a good day, hes actually pretty nice and make jokes. Its very 50/50. Either way he doesnt contrib to the interview process. Its a huge faculty, but half of them dont even interview you so its very interesting. you dont rotate at lincoln memorial
💬1. Residents dont seem to like eachother. competitive vibes even among eachotehr > only did a 2 week away here so maybe i didnt get the full vibe as a 4 week away student, but the residents seemed to be good friends with each other. idk what theyd be competing for lol theyre already in residency
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<Connections and clinical performance and LORs will be way more important for fellowships. This tends to be the case in all specialities where people are subspecializing. A really low score would be a red flag though. A low CK score will not help you match into your desired residency program. Nearly all dermatology programs require Step 2 scores prior to ranking applicants.
This is false. Programs don't need Step 2 scores in order to rank (exceptions being UCSF, and even then it could be discussed on a case-by-case basis, and according to Cornell, they may require it prior to application deadline) <a bunch of prelims have stated in the interview email that it's required before rank lists are due --- Unfortunately this is true :( Some of my top prelims will need to see my step 2
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Step 3 apparently also matters for some fellowships, but idk if thats just IM or all specialties>>I have heard this too! This is crazy as studying well for step 3 during internship is almost impossible!!!
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studying for step 3 during internship isn't hard because you just study the subject of whatever rotation you're on, do some practice Q's, review occasionally, and near the end of the year you'll pass with flying colors
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UCSF, Cornell, Yale, (but Cornell and Yale apparently required Step 2 prior to interviews, according to Frieda but I don't know how stringent this requirement is). Mayo also said in Frieda that it requires Step 2 prior to interviews, but I got a waitlist there, so I don't know how true it actually is. UCSF is also known to make individual exceptions, according to my dean. In short, if they didn't ask for it, then I wouldn't really think much of it. A couple of residents at different top 5 programs told me that they never updated the Step 2 and the rank list is made after the interviews anyway so there's so many factors going into it (but also note that they were from top medical schools themselves).<<will confirm they werent stringent on step 2 criteria. got an interview invite from both without having taken step 2 ck or cs by that time.
Great for if I failed CS. x2
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Top tier: UPenn Harvard UCSF NYU Mayo Michigan, Emory, Henry Ford?) and Michigan and Mayo are not top tier. Would add Stanford, Hopkins, and UCLA instead)
would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow
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UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly
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UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.
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No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo
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Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5
Mar 23
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To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs
Mar 23
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MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts
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1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt
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<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too
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<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.
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<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.
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I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.
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name me a state with better Mexican food tho
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Seems like the best of both worlds. Incredible program and training and as far as reputation goes, it is very high up there. Cornell is an Ivy League name which is super reputable. Is it Harvard or Stanford, no, but I'd argue it's only the next tier down as far as prestige goes
<I don't have an answer but dont forget reputation is an extrinsic measure that doesn't tell you much. It is also highly contentious as this sheet has shown over the past months. Clinics, patient population, speciality exposure, fellowship match, research can all be considered individually according to what matters to you. If rep matters though you can factor that in, but again it is super contentious, mostly research based, and seems made up half the time (aka loudest ppl on google sheet determine the accepted rep)
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< ok here's an example. in ADDITION to being a rockstar applicant, connections are what get you to the top programs. example: one of the people who matched penn last year? her brother is a resident in the derm program at harvard and presumably knows the harvard and penn PD well. that sort of thing.
fml looks like my parents should have had more kids
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LOL same. But I'm just saying this to say that you REALLY shouldn't feel bad / wonder why you're not getting an interview to top programs. There is SO much backdoor dealings etc that go on behind the scene that in reality almost none of the slots are open to just a good applicant without any STRONG connections of some sort. <- another example: one of the UCSF residents has an uncle who is a dermatologist at UCSF
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LMAOOOO this is too good
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But I thikn the IN ADDITION point is important, having a connection but being mediocre doesnt work as far as I can tell.
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<so if we got an interview to a top program without being internal or rotator, do we assume someone had a connection or said something on your behalf?
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no, assume you just got an invite, but know chances are low you won't match :)
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That's not nice >:(. OP, you've earned that interview, especially without obvious connections. You should go rock it and show everyone what you're made of.
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sometimes the truth isn't nice :/
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Or maybe you shouldn't take out your frustriations on random people online.<<with that mindset, people wouldnt match from external schools then
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not true, the girl who matched penn whose brother is a derm resident at harvard went to northwestern. and to the other person, that's pretty presumptous of you - I'm just being honest. How you decide to take that honesty is on you, not me.<<well thats exactly what im saying, barring no other "real connections" how do people match at a program they are not from.
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to be clear, outside of the top 10 programs it's a whole different world. This level of neoptism is almost unique to these programs. <- equivalent of legacy status for undergrad
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I knew an applicant who's father-in-law was the chair of a derm department....so needless to say they got an interview at that institution. Other "ties" are research. Some programs really favor their research fellows....who can spend one year or MORE doing research for the department. Often unpaid or super low pay. There's a lot of politics. I'm sure other fields are similar but because derm is small, the effects feel (and probably are amplified).
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to add another great story, my friend told me that one of the people who matched to cornell last year? her mom is derm at cornell. connections are everything!
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Cornell box was deleted by someone
smh
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jury's still out whether this is fake << I think we should focus our collective energy on getting the Cornell interview dates which will put everyone at ease
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people are deleting so many boxes
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They mad, bro
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they snowflakes
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not fake talked to someone internal <<phew <did they mention whether the only invites today were for internals?
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they didn't know lol they just knew that they themselves were internal haha <thanks!
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< so can we assume 12/10 is internal/rotator invite day and external invites yet to go out? << can never assume, but seeming more likely
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Anyone know interview dates for Irvine?
check the PD-made interview calender <it's not on there, which is why people keep asking about it
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do we know if cornell was internal orr all?
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Cornell has ~4-5 spots, so I would have expected more invites to have been represented as part of the self-report. Also, the only people who responded to that question were internals
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Cornell is OUT!
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any cornell rotator got an interview yet? =(
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Per the Interview Invites sheet there is only 1 interview date for Cornell (11/27)? Is this accurate?
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Did Cornell invites go out for away rotators?
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Has cornell sent any externals yet (non-away rotators, to people with no ties to cornell)?
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Cornell out, external, away rotator, ERAS
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Only internal for Cornell. External has not been released yet.