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The best one is the one you like the most (+/- the one in the city you like the most)

This obsession with T5s, jeez. If it makes you happy, great! At the end of the day you will be a dermatologis though. People from not T5s end up as faculty at T5s all the time, and many T5 residents end up going into private practice.

go WashU. no debt is huge

WashU is also a really great school and I think the stress of loans hanging over your head makes you a less happy person in general, affecting all facets of your life. Unless you have other reasons to go to yale, I think you could make derm either way! At the level of washU vs yale, matchign derm really depends on you and your personality and motavation to be a good student and researcher! I also recommend you stay off the spreadsheets at least until your M4 year. congrats on the A and go enjoy your spring!

$140k is not a ton in the grand scheme of things. Wouldn't get too hung up or stressed over that. If it makes you feel better, I'm at like $700k 😂 it could always be worse lmfao. One thing I'd compel you to consider is that at Yale you'll be ranked against other competitive applicants whereas you may have a higher class rank at WashU! Also keep in mind tons of people at ivy leagues applying derm don't make it. I don't know that going to Yale will truly be better for your app

agree with this last part, I don't know if it will be better for your app (derm resident here)

WashU doesnt have class ranks (huge pro) and the students are just as competitive academically

$140k of debt is not that much but both WashU and Yale are phenomenal programs. That being said, I'd probably pick Yale personally, just because I like the program better... depends on how much the debt means to you

Hi, congrats on your acceptances! Truly wishing that you make the best decision for what you need. Absolutely, the cost/loans matter. But if you're dead set on derm, I'd highly recommend you consider Yale. WashU's derm match last year was insane, but that was a fluke. WashU has a difficult time matching anywhere outside the Midwest (especially in derm), and our previous years' data have been meh and don't even tell you the number of students who did not match derm or matched to the second specialty they applied into. Yale is stronger academically, particularly for derm. If you are open to considering other specialties (ENT, plastics, ortho, etc.), by all means, come to WashU; these departments have excellent research and mentorship -- not derm. I wish someone would have warned me, so I make it my job to tell everyone else.

I'm the OP. After seeing this, i think i am going to choose yale... i am really deadset on derm (fav specialty by far, and i dont imagine myself switching), and i think ill be able to pay off the debt anyway. thanks.

you should ask how yale derm match went this year (spoiler: not well)

wait can you clarify, why didn't yale derm match go well LOL (Im OP).

Yo I'm OP, can the previous commenter talk about how Yale match went this year? what % matched approximately? i heard there were a ton of internal candidates.> ya how do you know how it went this year already?

because people talk and they already know if they matched or not

were there a ton of unmatched applicants from Yale this year?

Yes. idk ask your yale friend, and also get off this spreadsheet

seriously LMAO get off

More people went unmatched than matched applying into dermatology from Yale this year… just fyi. Last year they also had a few go unmatched.

Save the money - both amazing schools. If you're committed to derm you will make it happen either way. Financial freedom is so underrated

yes, stanford in there too. there are really 6 T5 programs.

if you care about prestige... i wish you well

0/7 is insane. yale was something like 4/10

its a public state med school so maybe that's why but still crazy

0/7 sucks. Yale was somethign like 4/10. Its just the way it is

yeah it's a public state school Michigan State

as a derm resident, in your case my advice would be to try to do as many away as you possibly can. Prepare the best CV and apply to aways on day 1 and try to do 3-4+ ideally

The new derm landscape is basically home + away is where the vast majority of people match, and even then, there's far more home+away applicants to programs than there are spots. The truth is that the current system for derm is broken, and until things change the reality is great applicants will go unmatched every year.

every competitive field is like this in the real world

"The new derm landscape is basically home + away is where the vast majority of people match" --- Honestly, that's the way Derm has lalways been, for the most part. It's a seller's market.

I don't think this is true. The PD at Penn is VERY clear they DO NOT do post II communication. he feels very strongly about it

same with UCSF's PD..> the whole thing strikes me as BS especially with the earlier link to an article with a paid mentoring service

I know people who got rtm calls from penn pd

sure buddy

I heard people who got Pen was for tracks and not by PD

100% serious that I know schools that do post-ii communications/rtm calls when they tell everyone that they are hellbent on no post-ii communication. Just beacuse a PD says it does not mean they won't do it experiencing this gave me trust issues tbh lol

PD's will do anything to get the best of the best, RTM calls happen because programs are selfish

well at least i know i'm not the best of the best yeee

I matched at one of the programs listed above, no RTM call. This rtm thing was absolute bs

historically no

brb crying

well there goes my hopes and dreams

lol get real>does yale do RTM?>fuck

I know for a fact that at least one of the top 5 do not do RTM (current student)

I think Yale does bc i know someone who got one last year

Just out of curiosity were they internal candidates?

no but i think they sent a LOI

harvard does not do rtm calls

u guys all need versed omfg relax

I can't remember what the theme was, but there was another room I thought was way harder

yes! but "teamwork" room was worse. not an enjoyable day for me lol

omg yesss it was the teamwork room that got me

My best room

https://pathology.med.upenn.edu/education/residency/logistics/salary-benefits; https://medicine.yale.edu/surgery/education/residencies/otolaryngology/salary/

per month?

brownie points per second

Penn State, Northwestern, Yale (kind of), Georgetown, Ohio State, Brown, Cleveland Clinic, UPMC, UTHSC (tennessee), Zucker/Northwell, Emory, Mizzou, WVU, Dartmouth

wait I didn't know about Northwestern, are we sure?

Exact wording: "We are very excited to welcome you to the Northwestern University combined Medicine-Dermatology interviews, which also serves as interviews for either the categorical Medicine and/or advanced Dermatology tracks, if you have applied to either of those Northwestern programs. "

northwestern med derm counts for prelim.

Penn state does??

yes Penn state does, presented to us on interview day

what about northwestern regular Derm/peds derm> NW med derm counts for advanced derm NW position + med derm position. NOT prelim. You can ask to be considered for categorical IM, but that was not guaranteed by just applying.

there's hundreds of applicants applying that have never touched this sheet, seems like most of the ppl who rotated at uconn are on here, also big reason why uconn pops up on this sheet so much!

they also interviewed 50ish ppl. not sure how many yale did.

yale interviewed around 60 but people are real weird about it like sometimes a ton of negative info other times that info goes missing

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you'll drink the koolaid at any of these programs. within derm, penn is the premiere program. harvard's name externally carries weight, but there's a cost to that (working ~10 hours more on average per week). no difference to future career prospects. yale is smallest chill

keep in mind that the advice on here is HEAVILY biased by people who are also ranking these programs, and often, playing games in that regard... imo the best advice is pick place where you'll be happiest whether that's location or culture (if you did an away/interview vibes) or something else

<- lol, I've been told things that deeply conflict advice at left + just look at the rank list < is the rank tally affecting your decisions tho < def no. each program interviewed 30+ people and like 10 have listed the "rank" on the tally? < sorry I meant look at the rank list to see the likely COI at play here

and as big a name as Harvard. >> most non-derm people don't know that Penn is a good program

id argue that while it is lesser known than harvard, the average person would understand that penn is at least "good" lol

also consider COL (a studio in boston proper ~2k)

Also impressed by Penn, Harvard, Yale, Northwestern

also, I wonder how far the Harvard/Yale name can take someone.

i called the help desk on that website and they said to just send the reciept to the PC, which is what their original email to interview said as well

program specific, but generally yes. unclear why penn interviewed so many this year, though, so likely some exceptions to this rule

how many did penn interview

70 allegedly? (per their intro spiel) but could be fake news

their website says 48-60, but still a lot

yale also interviews around 60 for 6 positions, but doubt these programs fall far on the list..

stony brook with 50-70 for 3 is crazy too!

seems fairly standard for programs to interview 10 candidates for each residency spot

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