University of Utah Health

yes. please call me (908) 482-1923

where from?

Utah

Still parched over here but happy for you! x2

because I don't know much about either. I like OHSU location better. Both seem very strong for basic science and translational research. Both lack patients of color. Both seem to prime residents well for academic careers. That is all I know. They seem very similar to me.

ohsu for weather

After you're invited, the interview is what matters most. It seems unfair, but because the dermatology department is so small, you will work with most of the people that you see during the interview. For that reason, people want to see that you can work well with everyone and most importantly, that they'd want to work with you. << who is this coming from? someone on inside of process? I can't imagine them ranking applicants based solely on these very surface level 10 min conversations, anyone can pretend for 10 mins. << you're talking about people who would grant external applicants interviews based on their resume compared to away rotators who they've known for 4 weeks, so yeah i can completely see these people making decisions based on 10 minutes of talking to them.

< Do you think courtesy interview applicants have an equal chance as everyone else?

It really depends on you and whether your scores and apps are comparable to the non-courtesy interview candidates.<<this suggests that interiews arent the end all be all in ranking then? because presumably even if you have a couresy interview, you still have an interview, and would be on the same playing field as everyone else --- NO, true courtesy interviews do not have an equal chance. Courtesy interviews are for when a program hates a rotator or home student, but rather than outright reject them, they interview them anyways, with no intention to rank or with the intention of putting them dead last. It is just a way to avoid drama and hurt feelings, rather than cause drama. The definition of a true courtesy interview is an interview granted to assuage feelings without actually giving the interviewee serious consideration. Anything else is a real interview and not a courtesy interview. <- What about if a mentor reached out to a program and you received an interview? It's not a technical courtesy invite, but you don't know if you would have gotten it otherwise

how the heck would someone even know if they were a courtesy invite?

OP poster here about courtesy interviews. I guess I was using that term loosely to include away rotators since some aways interview all candidates...but can't answer that question << there's almost no way to know if you're a courtesy interview unless you know you didn't perform well on the away rotation. its exactly what you said, most likely behind-the-scenes you'll be taken off the list but they can say they interview all away rotators. the moral of the story, as in every interview, is everyone lies all the time. Agree with what wa ssaid above that unfortunately you'll never know if you were a courtesy interview or not, so not matter what don't sweat it.

<- good example is UTH. They interview all rotators in the rotation, but in their current class only 1 of the residents was a rotator (the rest were external). They sometimes have up to 10 rotators in a month, so if you do the math, they should have > half of their residents from rotators, but this is not the case << im going to play a lot of devils advocate here. it is possible - NOT PROBABLE, but POSSIBLE - that the away rotators ranked them a bit lower on their own list and matched higher, so the rotators list and UTH list did not match up, and the effect is what you're seeing. but yes i agree it was most likely courtesy interviews so UTH could say that they interview all rotators, and appear attractive to new applicants selecting away rotations. for every story about a program burning an applicant, there is a story about an applicant burning a program. i think it's the derm law of ranking or whatever other clever name it should be called. --> True!

->does UTH stand for Utah? -> hoping it stands for UT Houston, but not sure > yes UT Houston is UTH. abbreviating Utah by one letter would be not kewl

i think you made the rigth choice << Utah vs SIU? Are you kidding me? Unless you’re trying to have SIU as a program that’s “easier” to match to, Utah is superior in every way << yes, check two cells down...he dropped SIU.

Utah is not diverse, especially if you want to learn on skin of color

Is SIU diverse?????

You da best!

Just dropped my SIU for Utah... still not sure if I made the best call

skin of color as in red man syndrome?

oh good question! I would like to know too

My guess: Mt. Sinai, Wake, Howard, UCSF, Harvard, U penn, NYU

< you forgot UTAH

NYU??? x2

absolutely NYU << dang one would think that best skin of color training would occur in places with high % skin of color pop (Detroit, Birmingham, Baltimore, etc)

really UTAH?

I think sarcasm

What about Henry Ford, Emory, UNC, NW? Henry Ford PD actually felt the need to reassure us during the interview presentation that they get to see skin cancer at community clinics because the main hospital is so heavily just skin of color

<I rotated at UNC and felt it was very diverse - agreed, very pleasantly surprised

Another vote for Wake Forest! Amy McMichael is an amazing doctor and person!

<- WF faculty seems diverse, but their patient population is still pretty rural and not as diverse

yes, but Dr. McMichael has an interest in SOC so tailors her teaching/clinic to that. She gave a talk to our program a few years ago, hence the fangirling.

Also, Hopkins has a specific initiative to support underrepresented minority faculty and residents.

do they really require you to attend both days? <per the website, yes

it isn't 2 full days <but you still have to be there on both days?

yes

External, non-rotator

congrats x2< did any rotator not get an email?

you think i'd be used to the rejections/ghosting by now, but god damn each one still fuckin hurts x5 :'( same

shoot, did my phone call not work <lol, wondering the same thing. Any other phone call candidates not offered interview yet?

yes :(

probably most of us since they called so many

was not offered interview... but I also wonder what they were even looking for in that phone call. all he did was ask if I had questions....

for real. I've been disappointed frequently this cycle. I'm used to that. But this is for the first time I've been downirght pissed off. Why the fuck do they bother with the phone call?

To be fair it was obvious that most people with phone calls would not get interviews based on the numbers

Any rotators get this?

I did x3

<did any rotator not get this?>>rotated, did not get this

Colorado x2, Utah, brown x2, stanford x2, Saint Louis, UCLA

Mizzou and SLU?

<I don't think anyone really knows for sure, but the estimate seems to be somewhere around 100-120 based on length of calls and number of slots

They made their last round of calls today, I wonder when we will hear back. <people got calls? <where've you been, buddy?

<< they may be running behind. I got the call this morning, but it was cut short (only about 5 min) and he seemed to need to rush to get to the next call.< LOL kk what do they even ask? << its super informal. just if I had any questions about the program. nothing else. <thanks

<<Yeah they are running behind. Got my call outside of the scheduled time window

how far outside the window?

ten minutes.

Phone call invite was the first screen before interview invites (which have not come out yet). I think they don't call internals or rotators bc they already know them. If you are an external non-rotator, you may have been screened out if you didn't get the call invite

Thanks for the update --- So without a phone call there is no hope as an external?

Np! I think it's unlikely, I'm sorry :( << Actually i"ve heard it's more to select actual people to invite from an otherwise "waitlist" pool. << they spent a good amount of the call trying to sell their program so seems odd to spend that time on waitlist people <ya, it's not a waitlist pool lol

what is this phone call about?

RTM