University of Utah Health

Colorado is a state of the Western United States encompassing most of the southern Rocky Mountains as well as the northeastern portion of the Colorado Plateau and the western edge of the Great Plains. It is bordered by Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Arizona. <-- v tru, but also, colorado prog coordinator said they're notifying people mid dec

<< fantastic, fantastic response. lmao x3

just brushin up my US geography in case the PD asks me which state I would be if I could choose << new mexico, breaking bad 4 sho

is this the new what is your spirit animal question?

mine is still a dead horse because ive been beaten so many times :(( << don't beat a dead horse!! << i need invites and then i'll stop being dead :) :( << and at that point then we can beat you!! << literally nothing is stopping you now, join life as it currently beating me up :( << it sounds like you're having a rough time right now, but remember that you're amazing to even get to this point, and there are so many people who love and care about you!

lol, so true. Anyone do the call already? Someone said below like 150 people get called... can that be true? <if you estimate 10 minute slots and each slot is full, it's 120 people (but who knows if they are actually just constantly calling people or if they take breaks, which would lessen the number)

Is he running behind? I have a flight hope he doesn't call too late! <not yet, just not loving a 2 hour window for a 5 min call haha. Was under the illusion that I'd get the call at the first minute of the window :')

Has anyone gotten confirmation of their phone call times? <no< ok same here x1

Does anyone know how many of us with a pre-interview phone call will get a true interview? << so is the pre-interview call in fact confirmation that you will get an interview or another screen?

~35

and any idea of how many are doing the phone call?

100-150ish last year >> Plus internal and rotators don't get the phone call

omg okay so not betting on this as a true invite x1

Top tier: UPenn Harvard UCSF NYU Mayo Michigan, Emory, Henry Ford?) and Michigan and Mayo are not top tier. Would add Stanford, Hopkins, and UCLA instead)

would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow

UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly

UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.

No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo

Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5

To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs

MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts

1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt

<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too

<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.

<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.

I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.

name me a state with better Mexican food tho

<yeah super weird. "short phone call & no need to prepare" ... like what is this phone call x2 i need answers lol anybody who goes to Utah with any info? Is this actually "pre-interview" or is this the *interview*? Not mad about saving that $$ altho would be cool to acutally visit the program

Yep, also got this x6. Probably want to see how interested we'd be in going to Utah/any personal connections to the area is my guess << Did all of you who got the email do the "supplemental?"

There was a supplemental? I can't find it in my emails and I got this phone call email << Not a supplemental but they wanted you to cater your personal statement to Utah Did not get this x3

Didn't get it, so this is probably good news for people who received the email! <also applied and didnt get it =/

Any top Utah candidates/rotators/internals, not get it? << Checking last year's chat it looks like there were rotators who got an interview sans pre-interview phone call. >> Rotator, did not get phone call.

My guess: Mt. Sinai, Wake, Howard, UCSF, Harvard, U penn, NYU

< you forgot UTAH

NYU??? x2

absolutely NYU << dang one would think that best skin of color training would occur in places with high % skin of color pop (Detroit, Birmingham, Baltimore, etc)

really UTAH?

I think sarcasm

What about Henry Ford, Emory, UNC, NW? Henry Ford PD actually felt the need to reassure us during the interview presentation that they get to see skin cancer at community clinics because the main hospital is so heavily just skin of color

<I rotated at UNC and felt it was very diverse - agreed, very pleasantly surprised

Another vote for Wake Forest! Amy McMichael is an amazing doctor and person!

<- WF faculty seems diverse, but their patient population is still pretty rural and not as diverse

yes, but Dr. McMichael has an interest in SOC so tailors her teaching/clinic to that. She gave a talk to our program a few years ago, hence the fangirling.

Also, Hopkins has a specific initiative to support underrepresented minority faculty and residents.

Utah

Still parched over here but happy for you! x2

Utah is amazing!

Utah is terrible. It would be foolish to rank it. Also why are we wasting time talking about non-top 5 programs? --- Utah is solid top ~10-15 program which is still very good even if it's not Harvard. Also Utah is okay, but Salt Lake City is incredible

you're really sabotaging my misinformation about Utah campaign << Sorry my bad :(

Did an away and grew up in SLC: If you like the outdoors, then it is a great place to train. People are generally nice. Relatively low crime. Not very much diversity if that is something important to you. Interestingly, one of the largest dermatology faculties in the nation, yet probably the least diverse. You might argue that this is reflective of the population of Utah, but other specialties at the U are WAY more diverse than derm. Some of this could be blamed on lack of diversity in derm as a whole and difficulty recruiting minorities to Utah, but come on... Not a single brown or black person on faculty of 40-50. Pretty shameful. << this. not having a brown or black person as a faculty in derm is not uncommon even in diverse/big programs... <examples?

utah is amazing!! my favorite state!

would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow

UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly

UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.

No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo

Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5

To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs

MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts

1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt

<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too

<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.

<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.

I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.

name me a state with better Mexican food tho

Utah is not diverse, especially if you want to learn on skin of color

Is SIU diverse?????

Just dropped my SIU for Utah... still not sure if I made the best call

Mizzou and SLU?

<< fantastic, fantastic response. lmao x3

just brushin up my US geography in case the PD asks me which state I would be if I could choose << new mexico, breaking bad 4 sho

is this the new what is your spirit animal question?

mine is still a dead horse because ive been beaten so many times :(( << don't beat a dead horse!! << i need invites and then i'll stop being dead :) :( << and at that point then we can beat you!! << literally nothing is stopping you now, join life as it currently beating me up :( << it sounds like you're having a rough time right now, but remember that you're amazing to even get to this point, and there are so many people who love and care about you!

<< Do you really need to attend 2 days of interviews for U of Utah? Website's wording is super unclear

Yep, also got this x6. Probably want to see how interested we'd be in going to Utah/any personal connections to the area is my guess << Did all of you who got the email do the "supplemental?"

There was a supplemental? I can't find it in my emails and I got this phone call email << Not a supplemental but they wanted you to cater your personal statement to Utah Did not get this x3

Didn't get it, so this is probably good news for people who received the email! <also applied and didnt get it =/

Any top Utah candidates/rotators/internals, not get it? << Checking last year's chat it looks like there were rotators who got an interview sans pre-interview phone call. >> Rotator, did not get phone call.