Wake Forest Baptist Med Ctr-NC

Ties to Midwest, strong app, very confused how I didn't get this one and disappointed. Congrats to you all though! << not missing much << There are 600-700 applications for a handful of positions. Don't take it personally. << Applicants who are JUST as strong as you PLUS Research Years and BOMB LORs from close mentors or friends of family.

I'm starting to think that a subject like of "Application update" never means interview.

love waking up on the west coast to rejection emails <<< sometimes i wake up on the east coast to rejection emails and it's like whoa you guys got the dreams crushing started very early today

wow you guys are on SSRIs? Relaxxxxxxx <definitely NOT the way to respond to your future patients.

Yeah, not that it's any of your business but while I am personally not on an SSRI, the friends I have in med school who are have been on them before med school began and is due to unrelated (to med school) trauma they had in their lives. I know this an anonymous spreadsheet and may not be indicative of how you would act / respond irl, but perhaps be a little less judgemental and dimunitive of people's experiences and current situations? x100

SSRIs are awesome!!!!

Some people on this spreadsheet are pure trash and it makes me so sad to think that they could possibly be my co-residents some day. <people are both good and bad. Wake up

Can't believe they send such a cryptic message and make you log in to view the rejection. So stupid.

Ugh agreed

<- lol they also titled the pdf as a non-acceptance letter

I LOL’ed and didn’t need me to open the letter

So there are a lot of layers to "why be angry at people who have lots of interviews". I want to go back to making memes. 1. I don't think anyone is GENUINELY angry at applicants with tons of interviews because by definition, their CV is good enough that they earned them. It's ironic that some of the programs that choose the applicants to interview think the applicant will actually rank them in their top 4 or 5 or to actually match unless the program is similarly stupendous. Okay UVermont, I get why you're jizzing in your pants over the 275/275/15 pubs/AOA candidate that is fake-gushing over your program, but is he more likely to rank UCSF or your university? These programs invite the top-tier candidates who have multiple interviews at places they won't actually go to, leaving candidates within the residency's "league" out in the fucking cold, and then both program and applicant are left wondering what happened come match time. It's a huge waste of time for both people. Just think back to medical school interviewees who hoarded interviews or acceptances. You fuckwads out there with 12 interviews at 10 locations you'd never realistically want to match at are playing the game, no shame in that, but absolutely fuck the entire process come rank time because unlike med school interviews, it's one and done this time. 2. The rest is more personal and if you don't understand an inferiority complex you'll never understand what I would have typed anyway.

< yo is this guy writing war and peace what's going on

Well, this guy mentioned that he's getting a beer first

mb you go ahead, my dude. let it all out << omg i literally choked a bit on my beer at that 'writing war and peace', fuckin hilarious dude that shit made me cackle <PS: HOW FUCKING COINCIDENTAL ---> <- As the OP of this row, thank you for your time and candor << meme king here, no problem, i love when a real-life example presents itself to reinforce my assertions

<< lol preach. do you think limiting the # of places we can send apps to (e.g. <20 derm programs) could help solve this? << I think limiting number of interviews could be good. Even a high limit like 15 which guarantees a match based on past data would help distribute spots and help programs use their interview slots more efficiently since it would make the people with more than that make decisions earlier << what % of applicants realistically get 15+ interviews though? I feel like an interview cap won't help even out the distribution unless we were talking something lower, like 8. Which no one would agree to .

The match statistics show 28 survey respondants with over 15 fyi so not huge, but not insignificant << wow is the 28 statistic official from ERAS, or just this spreadsheet?

here's my analogy: let's play russian roulette with 2 bullets loaded in a 10-chamber system. you feel good about those odds? no? then shut the fuck up about 80% matching, because that other 20% means you fucking DEAD. no, in fact i think it'll make it worse. the top-tier applicants will go 80/20 split top and mid, us mid-tiers will go 10% top 90% everywhere else, programs will be similarly inundated and there will be zero trickle.

< I disagree that programs will be similarly inundated. If applicants apply to 60 programs on average, reducing the number of apps each applicant can submit will reduce the number of apps programs review accordingly << each program thinks they're going to get lucky with the top applicants that safety-apply to their program and think "this is our standard" and eschew the other applicants. so yeah maybe you're right, but i dont think so.

That would explain the dermatology residents from top 5 schools who end up in really random programs.

As someone at a top 5 school, I am praying for a random program. Most tend not to interview us unless there is some geographic connection

< I hate that it's become an arms race and I feel compelled to apply to programs I'm less interested in (who also likely isn't interested in me) just so that I can say I did everything I could << Programs are likewise trying to depersonalize and streamline the process with standardized LOR, Case-Western-esque "what's your rank" forms, etc. I feel like it's getting worse for everyone. << SLOE for EM situation, exactly << It's awful. Effectively screws over 50% of applicants who get bad evals.

I'd be so stressed if i was applying EM with those SLOEs < Unpopular opinion, but I think that long supplementary applications should required by every program (not the nonsense like Wake Forest's, though). It really helps people to explain why they would specifically like to go to an institution and people would only be filling them out for programs that they are serious about. Two of my interviews came from Supplementary Applications << I agree. It saves me from the pressure of writing a LOI too because I feel like I had the chance to say what I wanted to say in the supplemental.

Let’s be honest for some of us we really would go ANYWHERE vs not matching so even if it is “dead last” if they’d still be willing to go what’s the issue? << hoarding interviews i just said that. i literally just said that. the game is the game, but seriously wtf at these people. << the issue is that as it is, everyone is dropping thousands of dollars applying to dozens more programs than are likely to interview them. There has got to be a way to improve the efficiency of the system so that there is a more even distribution of interviews among every applicant << I've been thinking of a "match" type system for interview invites. Applicant must list top 20 schools of interest. If program wants to use "demonstrated intrest" as a factor in sending out interviews, they can do that. Top tiers would still get swamped, but I think smaller programs would be reassured that students actually want to go there.

< more like wtf at programs inviting the same people who can only go to 1 in the end << oh believe me if it's one thing i hate more than the applicants who hoard interviews, it's the fucking PROGRAMS above all else.

agree

do you actually believe that there are people with 8+ interviews at this stage? I feel like everyone I've talked to have like at most 5. << I absolutely believe it. << yes with 50% of interview invites released, there are absolutely people with high single/low double digit interview invites.

for sure the same 1-2 people are getting the invites at my school x2

maybe it's a good thing I don't talk to co-applicants at my school about the # of invites they have. sparing myself the mental stress.

<< /thread

DAMN IM OUT YOU SAID IT ALL

Damn, shots fired

<- if they’re not gonna invite me can they just reject me already 😭x3

maybe in the next wave of rejections lol << no, they clearly want to torture everyone

I rotated here and didn't get an interview, RIP

they should just reject us rather than staying in limbo x1 << Just checked last year's chat and rejections came in waves. << while you're checking chat...by this point were interviews similarly distributed? or what tf is going on? << After a couple of waves of rejections, there's Mayo limbo, which appears to be a kind of wait list in case someone scheduled from the first draft dropps... Actually looks like a formal waitlist email came out later.

WAKE me up inside (WAKE me up inside) Call my name and save me from the daaaaaark

LMAO I love you guys

WHEN ITS ALL OVER

idk, i knew i wasnt going to haaavad so when i got the r i moved on. wake forest though, making me look in a fucking attachment to figure out if i was rejected? LMAO SALTY AF about that

<that rutgers "non-acceptance" was pretty annoying

< Home state programs and undergrad school (to be fair my undergrad is a top 5, but I still wanted it haha)

USC

Penn...got an interview from literally every single top 20+ program except for them, and they were my initial top choice.

strong flex

lmao

< totally scurd!

yep x1

Today

today as in 10/1/18???

never got this supplement....

it didn't have any due date.... but now i'm scrambling to submit

The application due on October 15th, are you sure this is due today? Thanks!

It's October 15th

Did you just reply to the ERAS message?