U Southern California

no but can we make a list of the interviews that we know will be in person?

Hopkins, Yale, Mayo, Louisville Maryland, Tulane, USC, LSU, University of Florida Gainesville, kaiser LA, Univ Miami>these are exactly the programs i would have guessed would have in person interviews

what does that mean lol

I thought in person was just better for vibe check

programs want to be sure you can handle their patient populations and cities

what does it mean to "handle" a patient population...

yeah I dont know what you are saying is true, this is essentially every major city, wytalkin bout

programs will find out, whether it hurts you or not is not known, it is a risk you have to decide if you are willing to take>i dont have skin in the game but the APD, a relatively weak organization in the grand scheme of things in academic derm politics is playing with fire if they think they can try to selectively enforce it by outing random applicants after a cycle of a new policy like this for violating it given not all programs even listen to APD guidelines to begin with for choosing residents and they need to look in the mirror when it comes to them actually fairly enforcing policies that affect applicants across the board historically. it would probably descend into people pointing out hypocrisy in the past that they have committed with selectively ignoring cases of their own past students that they knew likely were not even following their own guidelines they wrote. something similar happened or at least accusations of hypocritcal ignoring of some standardized letter of rec thing in the past for derm apps when it was new on online forums, something something about new things get pushed but when theres nepotism it all goes out the window then people saying well you cant prove its nepotism in that case etc etc. not a good look for all involved. they know that, especially in the first year of implementing a new policy there will be lots of people not abiding by it so no one is going to specifically out and punish trainees who dont follow it for various reasons since itll descend into a chaotic mud slinging finger pointing game thatll get ugly online. and then people will blame the APD for trying something new knowing full well lots of people wont follow the rules anyways and claim its not fair etc etc

how will they know if you do more thn 2 aways lol>they know people who find these things out. even if theres no letter not on a transcript

yea but by the time you've submitted ERAS and programs are sending out interviews, how will they find out and how will it negatively affect you at specific programs? unless they all get together and start doing investigation work to piece together where you flew out for each away> if it were any other specialty i wouldnt worry but some of these academic derm people are quite strange people in past years they would take one minor thing you wrote about somewhere as a hobby and for fun try to get you to mess up and see if you were telling the truth by having a guitar set up (in person) because obviously you lied about that on purpose when you put all the effort into thousands of hours of everything else on your app that was gonna get you in to derm. some people in academic derm seriously frighten me from the many stories ive heard from trainees over the years and i wouldnt put it past them

its becoming more typical from what ive heard from faculty. phd doesnt carry all that weight as it used to for derm regular track or 2 matching more about what you can do. its the rare applicant but there are some studs out there that can go toe to toe with phd applicants for 2 without the phd usually research year people

Is it worth even bothering applying to these cali aways with no regional ties?

lol no not at all waste of $$ and a month of your time < + 10000x < if you have no geographic ties, it's even more worth it to do an away < I'd add to this by suggesting an away and securing a letter as well < only one worth doing is Loma Linda. They match an appreciable number of away rotators< Idk about this, I recieved interviews in states I have never been to, you never know who knows your letter writers and/or what a program is looking for

people are just here to find echochamber to reinforce their bias without any evidence. << Probably true, although it doesn't really answer why certain derm residency programs that never used to recruit heavily from their internal home candidates are now suddenly doing that a lot more. < they could just be better candidates.... << And you think that wasn't the case in the past? I've matched so it's not really an issue for me, but I do think that future medical students (especially those who are maybe of lower income and don't have as many resources at their particular medical school) applying to Derm should be able to know if it's really worth taking the time to rotate at a particular place or applying to a particular program if they really don't have a chance of getting an interview or matching there.

Case western taking their own students is like an NFL scout picking students from LSU... why wouldn't top med schools feed into their own home programs? < Why the FUCK would you say LSU and not Alabama in this example? < What's the difference between the two? <<< To the OP, I guarantee you in past match cycles Case Western has gotten students from top tier med schools, so to use your analogy, they're actually dropping down, compared to before when they were clawing their way up in terms of matched Derm applicants.> Wayne state and UIC are not top med schools, maybe in the midwest << Case Western is a much higher ranked Derm residency program compared to UIC and Wayne State, due to their clinical & basic science research base. < what the fuck is the point of this comment. of course this is a true statement that has nothing to do with this discussion. im waiting on someone to tell me which harvard or yale student case western has matched recently. << Why are you so salty?<because someone is lying, distracting, and or all of the above to hide up observations about the case western match list and likely rank list that are not only true. but useful for future applicants. so obvious when this happens. << I have no idea why UIC and Wayne State were brought into the discussion.<those are med schools the residents from case western the last 4 years have come from. midwest schools. they take residents from midwest state schools they dont have harvard students interviewing there and ranking them high very often. that is useful to know. < Again, that's not been Case Western's recruiting process previously. They're not a state flagship. They've matched people coming from USC, Pitt, Harvard, Penn, etc. but stay salty and mad.

no one has shown proof of recent yale or harvard to case western residents. its not hard to pull up a link of someone online if this actually exists. if it exists it is a rare phenomenon and they probably had family in the area or something. why the heck else would you want to go to cleveland <<< This isn't criminal court. You can either believe it or not. No one cares.>again, just showing this spreadsheet is full of bad faith actors who dont really care to point out things that are helpful to most future applicants. if you are a midwest area student with strong credentials for dermatology application case western is probably a good target program for you. no one seriously looks at case western when they interview there and think shit do i not have a shot here because the 5 harvard and yale people are going to end up here over me. you do feel that way, however at other midwest programs sometimes.