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<- i feel like a lot is based on history no? I know at NYU they trained some of the trailblazers in derm (like way way back) and it was also big during the AIDS epidemic -- That's good to know. Tbh, I actually don't know much of anything about derm history, and wasn't aware. So do you think they got their reputation mostly based on years of continuous contributions to the field?

NYU is the top creme de la creme program.

i would cream myself to match any of the top 5 x2 <My mentors have mentioned slightly different lists to me that they consider the top programs (though 3-4 of those always make the list), so it is all subjective. <<< Thanks for the input, good to know that they may not be as static as they seem

< would love to hear your mentors lists

Tufts, Harvard, BU, UCLA, UCSF

LOL <why are 3/5 in Boston? That just doesn't sound right to me.

congrats! what method of contact and dates? << non-personalized email, feb 1st. external, no ties and very surprised

< anyone know anything about this program?

<any rotators hear back?

no

Can anyone who did an away here comment about their exeperience? it is a guranteed interview?

I did an away but did not get an interview.

they get to go to UTSW grand rounds

How was the away rotation experience?

<i feel like someone asks this every single day. scroll down.

<nah, it's just more talk about UTSW, looking for a more complete discussion

<UTSW, UT Houston, Baylor Houston, UT san antonio, texas a n m, texas tech, dallas baylor <thanks!

<Austin???

< why are there so many Baylors but they're not event the same institution...

UTSW >>>> UT Houston > Baylor >>>> UTHSCSA = Texas A&M > Tech > Dallas. Austin's too new to say but I figure it'll end up similar to UT Houston.

I heard Harvard PD is bizarre. Seems nice but when I was rotating all residents really didn't respect her. Didn't feel that they had her support for fellowship or in their electives. UT Southwestern PD. THat program will chastize you for not going academic or not doing research. Plus he is one weird due. No denying UTSW you will come out well-trained and is a reputable program, but faculty is just not the nicest most supportive people (pending your goal).

<did not find this to be the case at all, also rotated there (and full disclosure, rejected with no interview). This feels like its spreading misinformation... << I would not just dismiss this as fake news. I rotated there as well and also felt like this PD was not present in residents' experience. Wasn't a big surprise to me given how big the program is, until I rotated at some other big programs and saw the difference in PD <uh, this is just not true at all the residents love the PD there wtflol

are all of you guys talking about harvard or utsw?<< Harvard. Residents don't like the PD there. <UTSW, I have never met hardvard PD; interviewwed at UTSW, he is an odd mofo. Other faculty isnt exactly pleasant either. UTSW is proud of their program though. Kim Yancey (the chair) is pretty cool and nice; I wonder if people have the same read as I do

ah ok! I was just wondering because I have heard conflicting things about the harvard pd and didn't know what to make of it. I didn't rotate at harvard or UTSW (and didn't interview at UTSW either) so I can't add to the discussion but maybe someone else here as a read on the UTSW PD they could share with you!

Agreed, just another example of fake news on the spreadsheet

this is what everyone says when they are butt hurt about their program being talked about negatively. Seems like theres no negatives to any programs!

Not misinfo, heard similar about Harvard PD. She's out of touch and awkward, doesn't seem to really know residents x4

UTSW wouldn’t be my #1 though so.... (I guess I mean purely based on quality/reputation, not location or personal preference)

lol its the reputation among residents that's bringing it down...good medicine though

the only residents who seem to say bad things about UTSW are those not at UTSW. Those at UTSW have wonderful things to say about their program

Can anyone elaborate on UT Austin?

it's in Austin, nuff said. basically #1 selling point of the program <They hired a lot of great faculty from other good schools. They will be a strong program with all that they are putting into it.

As a non-Texan, I don't understand the difference between Austin, Houston, and Dallas

Can we get an insider perspective on how the Texas programs rank similar to the CA discussion earlier? Seems like UTSW is the easy #1, but what about after that?

NYU, I don't know what the past interview impressions were talking about, the faculty were very funny/witty and not "stone faced" at all. I wish that we had been able to see Bellevue (I got to see it during medical school interviews, and I do think that it is the crown jewel of NYU). Still, I enjoyed the presentations since all the faculty members came out to give their take on the school and their specialty. Also, UTSW, so many residents came out, program is super strong, PD seems super invested in the program (especially to have stayed the PD for ~30 years), the 2-day interview and the faculty/residents coming out on a Saturday made a strong impression on how much they value the educational aspect of the dermatology department. Derm interviews end up being quite an elaborate production.

agree with NYU, really left a strong impression on me. Another underrated one was Michigan. I thought the interview staff were exceptional and the interviewers had all read my app/had insightful questions

Emory!!!! Just kidding ... UVA was really solid

I'm actually so suprised by Michigan! That goes to show that you take the things said on the internet with a grain of salt. What ever malignancy that was there is definitely in the past. So many great changes have been made and the residents were genuinely happy.

interview day doesn't always equate to what it is actually like to work there x2

hopefully Michigan has changed as people have said since that post a few years back. I have friends who are there for things like ENT and plastics and they're known for having one of the best surgical cultures in the country

UAB! If this program were in a more popular or sexy location it would be a top tier type program. Extremely well-rounded with a big wig chair who advocates like heck for her residents for fellowships, jobs (private or academic). Residents get their fellowships in a very happy collegial atmosphere. Low COL, high QOL, overall awesome!

MCW! residents are incredibly nice, faculty is diverse in training and the program is growing. During the interview, chair is ambitious (he is an incredibly big name) and really trying to seel program. He has already accomplished a lot. Low COL and they really wanted everyone to be there. I also interviewed at UAB, it did not feel top tier. The faculty is incredibly small for it to be a top tier... yeah I was really disappointed by UAB too

MCG having a 100% Mohs match rate was impressive to me given the national averages

over what time frame?

I think is quite new program

Not sure over what time frame but seemed like since the chair has been there. the program was started in 1967 so not exactly new

agree with NYU...definitely solidified itself as #1 program in the country << you're trying too hard with this comment

Oops, it was 73, not 63 (fixed). And its expanded listing specify 4 positions per year, so I have a feeling that it's only for the derm spots. What's the point of interviewing so many people -_-

how do we access this information?? x2

Other interesting facts: accoriding to program information, UTSW interviewed 65 for 9-11 spots, Mayo Rochester interviewed 55 for 8 spots...

<Northwestern may have been really high last year b/c they had A TON (I think 12?) of internal applicants (not including rotators - though rotators don't all get intervews).

I'm also surprised that their step i is slig lu below average for the general population of derm applicants.

look at other programs on there. They all have crazy low step scores reported. No way is the average for NW less than 250. I think programs lie.

<- as a reference, there were about 24-26 interviewees at the nu internal day (home students, away rotators, re applicants, and research fellows)

Mayo Clinic in Rochester?

yes. They seem like they are of comparable rank. NW is in the top 10. Definitely can't compare NW with Rochester or UTSW. < You can't go wrong with any of these. I feel like you're splitting hairs with regard to quality of training and should be basing your decision off of location. x2

UTSW is known to be INTENSE you will be HIGHLY trained. Northwestern AMAZING Pediatric dermatology exposure & Mohs. Mayo = Great COMPLEX med derm and research support (you get dedicated research assistants etc.) Depends on your career goals. ALL will prepare you for Academic Medicine. If you want to do Mohs I would say UTSW>NW>Mayo If you want PEDS NW>Mayo>UTSW

Go to Northwestern. You'll be glad you did.

False completely. If mohs, go to Mayo, they have 3 internal spots, and in recent recent years, they have matched 5-6 residents yearly to mohs. However, they are not well known to churning out academic derm (last 3 years, no one is going to academic). They really care about fits more than score, medical school reputation and research

<even with name, they have TREMENDOUS difficulty attracting actual top tier applicants, Rochester is just... you know

It's Texas. Suit up.

<if at any point you're interacting with residents/faculty at the hospital/workplace, you should be in a suit

What school requires that? *Anyone want to interview this week instead of January when there are more conflicts? Happy to switch: utsw2020swap@gmail.com

<<can we wear the same suit for both days...

I plan on it <literally no one will notice everyone is busy worrying about their own lives

i only have one suit anyways

same suit, different shirt/tie is fine?

< I believe there are interviews on both days, so I would wear a suit at least while you are scheduled for interviews. If you want to loosen up some at dinner, it would make sense.

NYU - residents there hate it. early lectures, lots of scut work <did an away, residents seemed very happy. FALSE, NYU is one of the best programs in the country, n =2 but I know a previous and current resient who both absolutely loved it there

heard bad things about Pitt program. Lots of driving in between sites, faculty don't really care, etc

Heard really bad things about UTSW

I forgot about UTSW!!! Yes apparently they have weekly graded quizzes and also some of the faculty are super mean?? Can someone confirm?? x2

Faculty all really nice. True about weekly quizzes which may not be for eveyone but they keep you on track and ensure you are very well trained.

<< there's a reason why UTSW has a reputation of producing the strongest clinically trained dermatologists. The residents seemed really happy there. Doesn't seem like there's much scut work. x2

I have the same issue. The thing that worries me is I have an interview on the east coast, then an interview on the west coast the morning after. Will need to take a red eye and go into my west coast interview with barely any sleep. Same, and I have the added concern with flight cancellations with midwestern and eastern states (talking as a west coaster)

Week after Thanksgiving I have interviews every day Tuesday-Saturday (3 prelim, 1 derm). I have no idea how I'm gonna feel after. It seems feasible but exhausting. It was sorta the only option though.

You're going to be so tired for the UTSW interview.

HA yes I will, but I've convinced myself I'll be polished for it too

I will see you there!

Nice! <UTSW feeds you well!

<going on back to back interviews for two weeks straight in december, and then nearly two weeks straight again in january ...will be a rough one

It’s a two day interview and the dinner is the night of the first day<thank you!

Top tier: UPenn Harvard UCSF NYU Mayo Michigan, Emory, Henry Ford?) and Michigan and Mayo are not top tier. Would add Stanford, Hopkins, and UCLA instead)

would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow

UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly

UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.

No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo

Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5

To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs

MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts

1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt

<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too

<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.

<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.

I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.

name me a state with better Mexican food tho

<<Did this go only to ERAS without email notification for you? Usually I always get an email, but I did not this time<< yeah, just through ERAS for me too x2 <<Got the email now x3

< :((((

Any folks from TX get rejection besides me?

no email yet but I did not get an interview so I assume I am a reject :( <<From TX (out of state med school though) and rejected

Anyone still with no rejection? x3 Limbo?<me! In limbo for at least 4 prgrams and it's killing me