Emory Univ SOM-GA

Feel like it depends on all of the other factors of your application (Step score, mentors/letters, med school prestige, etc.) ofc having all honors and lots of research would be better than either so it's hard to compare those scenarios without looking at everything else

>the neurotic 270+ step 2, all honors, 20+ research derm applicant is few and far between. Believe in yourself - not all applicants are perfect. theyre average :). Aim for as many honors as you feasibly can, handful of pubs, show people you're likeable. that'll take you farther than grades and research at the end of the day

connections

does med school prestige really matter if youre not planning on going to a t10 derm program? (in terms of MD applicants)

i'd rather have a well balanced app w some honors and some pubs, than all honors 0 pubs but thats me

med school prestige is factored more for certain programs (defintely lower on the list in terms of factors assessed), agree about having a more well-rounded app

personality and fit is huge

is a 270+ strong research applicant really few and far between lol it seems like this is not uncommon?

I've heard of quite a few people with these stats, I think it's also important to consider mentors and who you know since that can influence one's chances of matching

agreed, and connections from away rotations make a huge difference in terms of "networking" as well. the loudest ones are the ones that have the best stats, but dont get into your head about it! > more good thoughts like this please, maybe we're all just delusional

also want to say, I feel on reddit and these spreadsheets, we tend to see people on the extremes in terms of stats and research while the "average" students who match tend to not put a bunch of stuff here making it seem like applicants are extraordinary

scores in 95% of cases, excluding the "top" programs which virtue signal about evaluating applicants holistically (looking at u UCSF). It's hilarious how they say they don't have cutoffs for board scores, but they magically end up matching residents with only the most insane stats >how do you know this info? They don't release stats publically, and UCSF seems to match many students who dont come from T5 programs.

Current R3/R4s come from: UCSD, UC Davis, UMich, UCSF, Hopkins, Emory, UCSF, Vandy, Northwestern, UCSF, Hopkins, UCSF, Penn. Idk seems pretty high ranking for programs (excluding the California bias)

You can also see what they tell their own students about required stats for matching (https://meded.ucsf.edu/student-services/specialty-information-and-advising#Dermatology), for example in their table "How important is each the following for admission to a competitive program?", where honors, AOA, and research are highly recommended

if you look at residency explorer, they interview 25 ppl (majority of which are likely away rotators and internals), or roughly 3.7% of applicants, Of those who sent signals they interviewed 30% of those who sent gold signals and 2% of those who sent silver, I would probably not signal if I didn't get an away unless it's your top choice and you want to use a gold

Yes but they seem to heavily favor gold signals >all offers might not be out yet? lets not jump to conclusions </3

Thanks, I'll just plan not to signal.

yeah my bad let me just not answer this very valid question lmfao> my thoughts are they are slowly giving out offers to see if anyone declines

sad that ill have to accept this reality too, & 5 months out...

if we didn't hear from Emory today does that mean we are rejected?> no way to know but its definitely not a good sign if we didnt hear lol

:(> I'm actually so upset...If we didn't get an away, is it worth the signal?

it's not over until you get the rejection, stay hopeful!!

I know a friend with no away who sent a signal and got an interview

nobody getting an away there with the 600 apps lol but clearly a very popular program this year

wait, how do we know there's 600 apps for emory aways again? lol> word of mouth but completely unverfieid lol

it is verified lmao, I spoke to the Emory VSLO coordinator and she said there were thousands for all the Emory rotations and 600 for derm

you claiming it here = not verified

also reached reached out to Emory and they said there were 600 derm apps

dang, emory aways more competitive than interviews

others were speculating the numbers could be inflated (1 applicant who applied for 4 different months is seen as 4 different applications)> :)

Why is Emory so popular?

guaranteed interview at the end of the rotation

rotation mill, don't take away rotators, may be worth getting a letter

agreed completely. the letter could be helpful. Even if you're from a top school, I'd still target aways at other good institutions with a better track record for IV aways

Are there any "top" schools that *aren't* rotation mills? It seems like none of the academic programs' aways mean anything for interviews

emory and miami

I knew about emory, does miami also guaruntee an interview?

not yet lol x2

looks like every derm applicant applied for an away at emory LOL

im wondering if this is inflated by the number of blocks people apply for...> i think yes.. if the avg person applies to 3-4 blocks but still a lot of applicants

thats crazy

was this not just for the june timeslot?> i wasnt sure tbh

nobody for July onward has heard back yet

n=1, had an upperclassman do an away there but didn't get an interview, but they matched a T10 school anyways

Did an away there + gold, was told they'd "see me again" during interviews, no II. I still matched back in California at a "slightly" (I personally don't believe so after my away at Stanford) lower ranked program.

unfortuantely stanford used to have a reputation of giving a lot of IV to away rotators but this was maybe 3-4 years ago. Now, they interview <50% of people that do an away. Not worth it most likely, and whether or not you get an IV most likely wouldn't have been affected by whether you did an away.

would those probably not already be filled?

Tulane

> Tulane is only for those who interviewed there

duke, UAB, SLU, sinai, Emory, melanoma fellowship, penn

i don't agree Emory

also i wouldn't say any of these are guaranteed. it should be *highly increases* your chances of matching

also i would directly talk to the research fellows that are coming from these RYs. If the mentors are saying one thing, and RY fellows that matched are saying another about their experiences, I'd be wary. Don't forget that many applicants have home programs and other sources of networking/support that could have contributed in very meaningful positive ways.

also if mentors don't offer to connect you with past research fellows who have matched i'd take that as a red flag

Iowa, Mayo Rochester, Wisconsin (the best ones for Mohs and surgical and procedural training in general)

some of the best Mohs faculty in the country are at these programs and they have historically consistently high match rates and support

Top programs definitely support mohs fellowship as most of the people who get into mohs go to a relatively top program

i've heard for example programs like stanford, emory, and duke aren't supportive based on the name and shame/why I didn't rank higher so was curious if there programs known to be supportive

some of those you just listed aren't necessarily top derm programs, Emory is in the t15 and Stanford is consistently t5-t10 but Duke isn't t15 but more to your point Duke doesn't have a Mohs fellowship and notoriously some of these programs are more about complex med derm and have picky Mohs teaching faculty