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Hopkins< this hasnt come out yet right??...< I hope not

only internal

when did that happen? x1 any confirmation internals went out?<internals did not go out. < Where is my man sheet daddy at?

Columbia

<I know at my program they rate if they think applicants will rank the program highly and a lot of thatt is based on geography. This counts just as much as other big categories like "research" or "scores" << what if we're an East coast and did an away at a West coast? and also have a LOR from that west coast school? >>Midwest and did one east/one west and it ain't doing much for me << okay so it's not just me. this is really interesting+frustrating.> not sure how much more fucking obviously willing to go wherever we can be .

there is no logic...we are some of the best medical student and I'm sure most of us are extremely hard working, but we are now in a position of weakness with no power at all #jaded

medical school applications all over again haha <tbh I never felt like that then. I felt I would get in somewhere versus now I truly am worried about not matching << you better than me, i was kinda scared i wouldn't get into a med school. but yes, i am even more scared about match, because it's one and done.

<no midwest love and im from NE >> Barely any Midwest love from the Midwest lolol

east coast, away rotation in nyc. ignored at NYU, columbia. <same. and downstate potentially lol

yea east coast ignored by east coast here << cell OP here, also forgot to mention, rejected at SIU and all midwest programs basically so far. geography is not a factor for me at all because im getting nothing

did you get a letter from your NYC away rotation? << yes, got a LOR from faculty member, not sure of quality but i had to use it. and one of the residents said he really hopes to see me back for an interview (means nothing but it was nice to hear)

yeah it's frustating.

what are these programs even looking for at this point? i check all the boxes and yet still no love. sigh. << honestly, it's a great question. i dont think anyone knows and the people with double digit interviews have a legitimate reason to not care haha, they deserve it. but yeah i think it's just brutal out there because we're all just that good.

i have double digit interviews and can 100% say that there are so many people on here who are equally/if not more deserving and it's not far. I know people identical to me on paper with 1 or 2 and the whole system is entirely fucked. That being said, still hate this waiting game and feel for everyone on here. << this is the way to properly say that you have a lot of interviews. people with no tact, please take note! :)

not just tactful but also true. I also have double digits and think the system is truly just randomness and maybe only peripherally based on merit

< Me to an audience of PDs: https://youtu.be/4Irs_jeRInU?t=99 << lmao i had no idea this existed x2

why harvard?

Ego only. Not interested in covering all the hospitals or cosults honestly

so much truth

people like you ruin dermatology. Don't go into the field if you don't actually want to work x3

You need to chill out. If you want work, why don't you go into internal med or surgery. Or try construction. People like the good lifestyle in derm and there's nothing wrong with that.

x2 lots of us have great work ethics but also realize where it's necessary vs not <<< this is why derm gets a bad rep

<< Any program that makes me a dermatologist x6

Upenn!! The oldest program in the nation, huge department under one umbrella (unlike Harvard), Philly is on the affordable side of NE cities and theres a reason its #1 on doximity, because residents love it there!

< Penn resident spotted< nah but I did an away :)

lol an "away" << ?? i know someone that did an away at UPenn.

LOL sure. "away" haha << do you really think that residens have the time or the interest to post here? Lol you are way over your heads

NYU would be a dream. Cant beat NYC, diverse population and exposure to private derm in the most competitive market << I hope you don't match with that kind of thought << OP- What kind of thought? Thankfully you dont decide my future lol

< that's why Columbia's my dream. :)

<Really excited about the Columbia interview! Any info about this program in terms of resident happiness, perception of the program, etc.?

Check out the MRSP program at the NIH

Talk to upper classmen or people who matched in past few years to see if you can get linked with their mentors. Otherwise email people who publish in the location you want to do research with. It might take 50 emails to find the person x2

Here's an easy thing to do: You're at a NYC school? If you're at Einstein, do research at Einstein and you'll match there, almost gaurenteed - look at thier past matches. If you're at NYU, do research at NYU. If you're at Columbia, do research there, etc. etc. You're most likely to match your home program anyways, and if you're at a NYC school it's most likely a good school so just solidify your connections there. Good luck!

favorite meme of all time

<LOL is this year's spreadsheet the new facebook?

< AF

It is sad that I look forward to the weekend as a break from the disappointment. Was expecting it to be the opposite going into this process. Silly me lol

agree lol, i thought i had a pretty okay application going in << Meme King here, you and I both know it's selection bias. If we were applying to most other fields, we'd be near the top just like we are in our class, but now that we're in a cohort of people who are all that way, every little bit sets us apart from the next person. Schools don't give a fuck if you got a 250 because there are 10 other people that got a 260, and 10 other people beyond that who got a 270. Picky and vicious is how they be, we gotta keep our self esteem high.

<3 Our applications are phenomenal, they're setting artificially high standards and the majority of programs will be as surprised as us come match time.

I do wonder how much programs are surprised by their match lists << Program: "I made a huge mistake"

<< "We love unmatched derm applicants" - actual quote from IM advisor at my school. << Oof. I know at least one case for whom that was true << hi meme king here im feeling a bit salty can i post a really bitchy imaginary scenario

yes < what happens to the unmatched? do they take the prelim year and try to stay at that program to finish 3 years of IM? << We need to have a real talk thread about what to expect if we don't match. / What our options are.

Our school's IM program made a special exception for a derm candidate and offered a seat outside of the match. clueless question, but why would IM programs love unmatched derm applicants?

super strong applicants compared to general pool since they are applying to derm, dont get derm, are a sweet candidate for the IM spot

All dermatology programs receive hundreds of applications for a single of their slots, and this is how I imagine their logic and surprise must be when it comes to interviewing and ranking. You know how you applied to that top-tier reach university or ranked them high on your list because "well, why not take a shot?" We have 30 interviews for 2 slots here at UMidTierDermProgram! Of our 500 applications, we want to select applicants that will actually come here--wait, what's this? A Hopkins applicant? Here? Why? They have ridiculous stats...and what's this, a Columbia applicant too? Jeez, they make the rest of these applicants look like trash. But why would they realistically come here? Is our program...that strong? Or are they just over-applying? Should I waste two of our interview slots for these people? It would be amazing to have them on our roster...but should I take the opportunity from other people? "Well, why not take a shot?" And so programs interview an applicant who, according to a post on this page would rank them "dead last", put on their rose-colored glasses and rank them highly, and wonder what happened when they rank down their list come match day. - meme

< lel 10/10 would read again. I do have respect for the hyperregional midwest programs who consistently only interview applicants with strong ties to that program. it's on me for still applying to them as someone who has never lived in the midwest << Strong ties to *program* is the key word here. As someone born and raised in the midwest it did not help at all in terms of getting interview there, but it's my own fault for not doing an away.

yeah midwest student, no midwest invites x3

<< This is a long post with some relevant data in addition to your predictions. Hope you all find this useful and have a goodnight! -SD << You're #1 in my heart. Thanks SD <3 x7 <<< SheetDaddy fan here, but I think if the posts were smaller, more morsels/highlights, like the first program prediction/tally template - we'd probably get most people on board. On mobile a post like this to the left takes up entire screen

<-- Download the "Calm" App. << why? << because this is neurotic! << Chill out bro, don't read it if you don't like it instead of being negative. Maybe you should spend your time using the "calm" app instead of being up everyones ass x6 << this actually is pretty neurotic, and I don't think saying something is neurotic should invite such a volatile response. Like damn this whole SD shit is becoming cult-like and stupid.

Hey SD--how many interviews do you have? x2

sdff

Me. NY resident, didn't do med school in NY, but literally did an away rotation with a LOR from a NY school. No NYU, no Columbia. <<Me. Georgetown. Lived in DC for 4 years << Me. From the Midwest no U of M, Iowa, or Wisconsin! <<Feel that one bruh. x5 << Same, also no Arizona or New Mexico #cool . << 18 years in Texas and no TX programs yet (holding on to hope). From Mexico, no offer from New Mexico!

Me. Born in Boston, went to Harvard, no interview from Harvard << Harvard hasn't gone out yet? Do you mean pre-lim? x2. Prelim <<I got harvard prelims with no connections, but did not get my home program's prelim...its pointless to try to make sense of it

Me. Born in Boston, went to Harvard, no interview from Harvard << Harvard hasn't gone out yet? Do you mean pre-lim? x2. Prelim <<I got harvard prelims with no connections, but did not get my home program's prelim...its pointless to try to make sense of it

<< thanks, will update

It is sad that I look forward to the weekend as a break from the disappointment. Was expecting it to be the opposite going into this process. Silly me lol

agree lol, i thought i had a pretty okay application going in << Meme King here, you and I both know it's selection bias. If we were applying to most other fields, we'd be near the top just like we are in our class, but now that we're in a cohort of people who are all that way, every little bit sets us apart from the next person. Schools don't give a fuck if you got a 250 because there are 10 other people that got a 260, and 10 other people beyond that who got a 270. Picky and vicious is how they be, we gotta keep our self esteem high.

<3 Our applications are phenomenal, they're setting artificially high standards and the majority of programs will be as surprised as us come match time.

I do wonder how much programs are surprised by their match lists << Program: "I made a huge mistake"

<< "We love unmatched derm applicants" - actual quote from IM advisor at my school. << Oof. I know at least one case for whom that was true << hi meme king here im feeling a bit salty can i post a really bitchy imaginary scenario

yes < what happens to the unmatched? do they take the prelim year and try to stay at that program to finish 3 years of IM? << We need to have a real talk thread about what to expect if we don't match. / What our options are.

Our school's IM program made a special exception for a derm candidate and offered a seat outside of the match. clueless question, but why would IM programs love unmatched derm applicants?

super strong applicants compared to general pool since they are applying to derm, dont get derm, are a sweet candidate for the IM spot

All dermatology programs receive hundreds of applications for a single of their slots, and this is how I imagine their logic and surprise must be when it comes to interviewing and ranking. You know how you applied to that top-tier reach university or ranked them high on your list because "well, why not take a shot?" We have 30 interviews for 2 slots here at UMidTierDermProgram! Of our 500 applications, we want to select applicants that will actually come here--wait, what's this? A Hopkins applicant? Here? Why? They have ridiculous stats...and what's this, a Columbia applicant too? Jeez, they make the rest of these applicants look like trash. But why would they realistically come here? Is our program...that strong? Or are they just over-applying? Should I waste two of our interview slots for these people? It would be amazing to have them on our roster...but should I take the opportunity from other people? "Well, why not take a shot?" And so programs interview an applicant who, according to a post on this page would rank them "dead last", put on their rose-colored glasses and rank them highly, and wonder what happened when they rank down their list come match day. - meme

< lel 10/10 would read again. I do have respect for the hyperregional midwest programs who consistently only interview applicants with strong ties to that program. it's on me for still applying to them as someone who has never lived in the midwest << Strong ties to *program* is the key word here. As someone born and raised in the midwest it did not help at all in terms of getting interview there, but it's my own fault for not doing an away.

yeah midwest student, no midwest invites x3

would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow

UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly

UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.

No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo

Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5

To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs

MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts

1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt

<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too

<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.

<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.

I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.

name me a state with better Mexican food tho

Here's an easy thing to do: You're at a NYC school? If you're at Einstein, do research at Einstein and you'll match there, almost gaurenteed - look at thier past matches. If you're at NYU, do research at NYU. If you're at Columbia, do research there, etc. etc. You're most likely to match your home program anyways, and if you're at a NYC school it's most likely a good school so just solidify your connections there. Good luck!

only internal

when did that happen? x1 any confirmation internals went out?<internals did not go out. < Where is my man sheet daddy at?

Columbia