NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY

NYU > Columbia

No, NYU >>> Columbia

NYU is a top 5 program

<Seriously. Just based off program its NYU all the way, not even really a question. But, if you personally felt you fit better at Columbia then great, thats what the interview process is all about, pick Columbia!

Upenn!! The oldest program in the nation, huge department under one umbrella (unlike Harvard), Philly is on the affordable side of NE cities and theres a reason its #1 on doximity, because residents love it there!

< Penn resident spotted< nah but I did an away :)

lol an "away" << ?? i know someone that did an away at UPenn.

LOL sure. "away" haha << do you really think that residens have the time or the interest to post here? Lol you are way over your heads

NYU would be a dream. Cant beat NYC, diverse population and exposure to private derm in the most competitive market << I hope you don't match with that kind of thought << OP- What kind of thought? Thankfully you dont decide my future lol

< that's why Columbia's my dream. :)

<Really excited about the Columbia interview! Any info about this program in terms of resident happiness, perception of the program, etc.?

I think there's a lot of people who state something with authority when either they don't really know themselves or when they're just being malicious and stating false stuff, but from my own limited personal understanding, these programs are the ones that repeatedly -- year after year -- are cited as "malignant." But I think people are using a broad definition of malignant and the reasons for being listed as "malignant" are different for each program -- NYU has been stated to have unhappy residents who do a lot of scut (as can be said about Columbia) with not the nicest attendings; Pitt has been stated to have somewhat uncaring attendings; USC is broadly a scandal-ridden school so not particularly dermatology department-related; Michigan has supposedly improved; UMiami they just work you hard eg, 7:00 am daily lectures (as can be said about UCSF). So I think malignant in derm programs is not like general surgery malignant, I think just one or more of hard working/unhappy residents/not very nice or caring attendings.

<<well said. I a lot of the "malignant" rep just means your are working a little harder in some way relative to some other programs. However, some of these top programs are top programs because they work you a little harder...forcing you to learn a little more. -- Agreed --> I would disagree slightly. Sometimes "working harder" doesn't mean learning more. It just means working harder. x3

<lol someone said lower that malignant means having morning lectures. Very broad range of definitions here

I think people have the expectation that derm residency should be a 9-5 cush job...? << I don't think that person was conflating 7 AM lectures with malignancy, I think it was a separate question

7 am lecture is a special type of torture but not malignant, agree.

idk I equate malignant with people (attendings, coresidents, PD, chair, etc) being actively mean and malicious. Like not caring about the residents or caring that they are unhappy. Long hours, early lecture = sucks but not necessarily malignant if people know about it in advance and sign up for it.

there is no logic...we are some of the best medical student and I'm sure most of us are extremely hard working, but we are now in a position of weakness with no power at all #jaded

medical school applications all over again haha <tbh I never felt like that then. I felt I would get in somewhere versus now I truly am worried about not matching << you better than me, i was kinda scared i wouldn't get into a med school. but yes, i am even more scared about match, because it's one and done.

<no midwest love and im from NE >> Barely any Midwest love from the Midwest lolol

east coast, away rotation in nyc. ignored at NYU, columbia. <same. and downstate potentially lol

yea east coast ignored by east coast here << cell OP here, also forgot to mention, rejected at SIU and all midwest programs basically so far. geography is not a factor for me at all because im getting nothing

did you get a letter from your NYC away rotation? << yes, got a LOR from faculty member, not sure of quality but i had to use it. and one of the residents said he really hopes to see me back for an interview (means nothing but it was nice to hear)

yeah it's frustating.

what are these programs even looking for at this point? i check all the boxes and yet still no love. sigh. << honestly, it's a great question. i dont think anyone knows and the people with double digit interviews have a legitimate reason to not care haha, they deserve it. but yeah i think it's just brutal out there because we're all just that good.

i have double digit interviews and can 100% say that there are so many people on here who are equally/if not more deserving and it's not far. I know people identical to me on paper with 1 or 2 and the whole system is entirely fucked. That being said, still hate this waiting game and feel for everyone on here. << this is the way to properly say that you have a lot of interviews. people with no tact, please take note! :)

not just tactful but also true. I also have double digits and think the system is truly just randomness and maybe only peripherally based on merit

< Me to an audience of PDs: https://youtu.be/4Irs_jeRInU?t=99 << lmao i had no idea this existed x2

Good joke! Columbia is the worst program in Manhattan. They have a lot of work to do. Medicare/Medicaid patient population exclusively. <NYMC is worse

I agree that they are top notch, probably not replacing NYU, but absolutely on par with

absolutely NOT on par with

NYU>>>>>>>Columbia.. some people just can't get over the "ivy league" attached to columbia, but NYU is a far more prestigious program

What makes columbia lower in quality of a program? Is the malignancy thing true (q for internals/rotators)

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lol so true!

what program??

missou-columbia

Same LOL! is everyone getting secondary applications?