Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT

Some dove products. Nothing crazy.

resident here, it would help if you gave some more info - throw a couple of names out or regions. Because what specific high tier are we talking about and what community program?

mostly debating NYU/Yale vs a smaller Chicago program

This is just my opinion, but I would go with NYU/Yale personally. NYU>>> for me though because it's a much better location. If we're talking Rush, UIC, Loyola then it would be fine to go there. But if it is cook county I definitely wouldnt recommend it.

NYU rocks

OP here, thanks everyone! have lots to think about (it's not cook county, so I guess need to do some reflection on how strongly I feel about academics)

doxxing students # of aways is not the answer lmao im sure if you were accepted to 3+ aways and they all fit in your schedule you would have done them too

I suspect the more this becomes an arms race, the more restrictions will be implemented. It’ll just reach a point where so many people apply to aways that it’s not sustainable, and then doing an away will simply not mean anything anymore.

POOP

i disagree. follow the rules

rules are dumb this is a zero sum game. Why would i cost myself an opportunity to rotate and potentially match at a program in favor of helping some random person out. Not to mention the fact that people who do research years or have connections prior to aways already have a separate advantage

honestly it'll depend on how strict your home program is, some home programs are quite adamant about only doing 2 aways, in which case you don't want to burn a bridge with your home program by going against your home PD guidance and doing more than that - if you don't have a home program/they don't care, I suppose go ahead and do as many as you want/can

reminder that the "max 2 away" guideline is a GUIDELINE, not a rule!

2/3 of my aways said when they check your rotations, they'll ding you (in whatever capacity) for going over

4/4 of mine did not even ask lol

all 3 of my aways asked where else I was rotating - obviously you could lie, but I'm not a great liar lol

a PD I worked with told me if he found out an applicant was breaking the APD guidelines for aways, they wouldn't consider the applicant same for all 3 of mine. (Northeast)

doing an away will always help bc it helps programs put a face to the name (unless you have no social skills/don't make a positive in person impression), it's just that it's becoming harder and harder to get them and some people hog them (ex., have heard of some MD students doing 7-8 aways) while others are struggling to even get 1 away

But it’s becoming more common that programs don’t prioritize away rotators, e.g. UTMB no longer guaranteeing interviews for away rotators

Presumably you still have a higher chance of matching as an away rotator who got an interview, than someone who got an interview with no connections though. I think people forget that aways are essentially a month long interview and they get to know you better than a half day formal interview. I know personally I would prefer no interview to a guaranteed courtesy interview for all aways. Like if for whatever reason they decided they weren't going to interview/rank you after spending a month there, I don't think a half day of interviews will change their mind much?

people fixate on number of interviews when it should be about quality, if an away program interviews everyone but is only going to rank half of those rotators high enough to potentially match, it benefits both the program and applicant for them to not guarantee interviews

not sure this is best, but EWR + train

EWR then renting a car

are you all flying out the same day the interview's over?

worst part about living in new haven is the lack of airport access tbh

I'm jealous y'all got Yale but am not sad about not living in new haven lol. basically like the hopkins discourse above

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yeah i didn't realize this until now actually

as someone in CT, BDL in hartford is ok, smaller airport, soo slightly more expensive JFK is 1.5-2hrs from new haven, BOS 2-3 hrs. there is also a small new haven airport staffed by Avelo airlines

it was soo miserable as a broke college student with no car. HVN tickets are crazy expensive and you always need to connect through Philly. BDL tix are also pricey, and the only way to get there is by driving. LGA/JFK/EWR are 2hr+ commutes by train and public transportation.

coming from the west coast there are also no direct/great flights from where I am to BDL, ends up taking the same time to fly into EWR/JFK and drive/uber

they also only take 2 anyways lol (aside from anesthesia/neuro)

and there were like 140+ people on the call

POOP

that part was WILD...

I emailed Jenna and asked and she said it's not necessary. I also think AAD guidelines recommend against it.

POOP

cackling

shits cold af here (northeast)

you should go outside instead of deleting someone else's words to silence them thnx

weirdos

POOP

> honestly don't know, I picked Penn because of its name and ranking and defintely thought there would be more support for students interested in derm. Seems like HMS also isn't that supportive based on what's written below so idk what "top" schools support students interested in derm

I will say that coming from a top school that isn't supportive can hurt you because if you reach out to other programs for research opportunities they will say that "Penn has an amazing dept work with them" and then we are also told not to do aways as it will hurt our institution name (prob because they think we will underperform)

that's crazy, any other top schools telling their students not to do aways? do you guys tend to match good anyway?

we do match well but I think it's because there's a ton of us - like we have double digit derm matches but also a ton don't match - lots of us are told to extend graduation as we are reapplying as med students rather than residents - also doesn't hurt the match rate that way lol - some of the ppl here come in with crazy good connections and exisiting research PIs, it's the reality of going to a top school, lots of competition and not enough opportunities despite there being already so many because too much interest. I have friends at HMS that also have been advised not to do aways prob the same for the T10

duke specifically advises their students to do 2 aways (smart advisors) (actually that's new, and primarily student driven bc they've had consecutive years of students not matching)> yale also advised us not to do aways

coming from a T10 also hurts when applying to mid-tier/lower-tier/community programs because they think that you won't come there (when some of us only have interviews at these programs)

so true, coming from another T10 school here and people are not getting high numbers of interviews here despite being outstanding candidates in every respect, just think that a ton of programs assume we'll go to another top program so the mid/low tier programs are incredibly low yield. also not advised to do aways

similar to the penn story, i won't say what school but also T10? when i reached out to other programs, they were like oh you go to X school, work with them, they are your best bet!

ikr how many ii are you at? did your home offer you an interview?> i'm at 7II but I did 3 aways + home and networked! despite that one program telling me off. shouldve just left that program alone but i still applied and gave them a gold lol CLOWN move!

bigger clown move is complaining when you have 7 interviews. Go prep?

#cope! never complained. simply giving more insight into how top schools can "affect" you

my sister (applying med school rn) also wants to do derm, do i tell her Penn is not the place for derm? Had no idea Penn was like that. She interviewed there and it is her first choice.

harvard sent an email that they're working on it, but nothing from yale yet

same

I am a student who rotated there and have an II 12/3.

I guess I'm the odd duck out (I got an email stating that I was rejected from the Prelim program)

Take this 100% as from the grapevine (aka got this from one of the current radiology residents), apparently the Yale prelim folks don't communicate with the specialties PD and interview invites mainly based on stats (i.e. not getting a Prelim offer does not mean you are not going to get a derm offer)

Each specialty may operate differently though, derm may communicate with prelim IM program.

Let me have my copium

From the way the email is worded, "We plan to rank applicants who have been invited to this webinar based on your applications- grades, letters, MSPEs, personal statements, etc."

Anyone know what the Yale IM prelim vibes are?

I am OP and also didn't signal their prelim. I'm sorry to those that did signal and didn't get the webinar invite though, that sucks ): --> singaled and got rejected!!!

I just logged on to the sheet to ask about this email too! Also received it and wasn't sure if everyone did I got a 252 on step btw so not crazy high stats~

MCW hasn't released any from what i can see

wow could really use one rn

Yale today?

IDTS according to the interview release date spreadsheet

looks like a couple came out in afternoon last year

still waiting for UPMC and Hopkins, and UVA and virginia tech , musc part 1>do we know which ones came out in the afternoon last year? >Anyone know if Yale releases any today as they have early December dates?

Yale is 11/17 according to the spreadsheet

I'm confused as I see 11/3 but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place

duke, penn, mcw, univ of arkansas, hopkins, UNC, OSU, UPMC

isn't Yale traditionally 11/3?

wait penn is 11/3???

also Baylor, Geisinger, Mayo, Cornell, Northwestern (?), Ohio State, Arkansas, UT San Antonio, Wisconsin, Virginia Tech

pretty sure penn is 12/1

per the spreadsheet, 11/17

Tulane, hopkins, (feel free to add more), yale, vandy, louisville, USC, miami, mayo Jax

basically most Florida programs (not all but like 50%), Cincinnati, MUSC, Utah, Mayo AZ, dartmouth

As in derm interviews are in person? Or prelim/TY

derm baby

oh for fuvks sake > LMFAOOO

lnfo is available in signal tally tab

gold signaling Penn