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there was a pretty good list on last year's spreadsheet. I'll see if I can find it. --> pasted from last year -->| Thank!

Is this list complete?

When are we supposed to complete the supplemental stuff by?

I would do it ASAP.

I know Boston does bigly, any others? Did Mayo email you regarding the supplement?

ohio state

MAYO DOES

BU

U Conn?? Just got an email from them

Indiana, UMass -- where can the supplement for UMass be found? I don't see it on the website

Thank you for the heads up!!! || UPenn has a supplementary questionnaire on their website || Some programs like UConn and UCLA (STARS) send out supps later in the season |

From their website, it seems like the program is only interested in applicants willing to do the 6 year program

<--- Yes, all advanced positions are "6 year" positions

not enforceable legally, this has been discussed in past sheets

If you want to take the risk of being blackballed by the program go ahead, but "I'll bring a lawyer" as a contingency plan probably isn't a good idea. The first 6 yr class is currently in their 2nd year of Derm residency.

Wow no thanks. Will not be applying to this program

Again, not enforceable whatsoever. Only affects you if you want to make half salary doing academics versus private practice. All VC funded private empires (dinosaurs selling their established practices) give no Fs if BU is salty about you leaving before doing your indentured servitude years are done.

And what if someone wants to work in academics but at another institution? Oh that's right, you'd be completely blackballed. Keep in mind that any state you go to, your derm program has to sign off on any licensing paperwork verifying residency completion for your medical license. Don't put it past a program to use a charge of "unprofessionalism" against you when they fill it out which then a state board could sanction you for it.

Is it really true Ann Arbor residents contracts have a non-compete?

A residency contract is pretty standard/same across the ACGME office for all residents across an institution for all specialties. I don't see how a non-compete would really be relevant in a residency training contract, since you're still in training.

A little dated but: https://hoaumich.org/contract/2013/, "In accordance with the American Council on Graduate Medical Education, no House Officer will be required to sign a non-competition guarantee. Additionally, no House Officer will be bound by such covenants signed prior to or during tenure as House Officer."

I've also heard there is a loophole in that if you fellowship after 3rd year technically, you don't have to come back to the mother ship

Incorrect. According to the website, they say you would do your subspecialty Derm fellowship and then come back to BU as faculty.

http://www.dermatologyprofessors.org/files/2014%20Annual%20Meeting/Presentations/Academic%20Dermatology%20Residency%20CareerTrack%20RAlani.pdf

BU x2

New Mexico

The southeast

Are you sure you don't want to apply to BU? They are both very suppurative and have awesome health insurance

The 3 is such a turnoff, even if the last 3 years aren't binding. x2

That's the crazy part -- even if you yourself are invested into an academic 3 program, they say that later if they are not able to accomodate hiring additional faculty, they'll just drop it & you're released after 3 years. Shouldn't that detail be ironed out BEFORE starting a program like this? Doesn't seem like much of an investment by the faculty into resident development.

Yeah, it really says something about their ability to retain residents as faculty..

Lol you said "suppurative" instead of supportive

Lol 3. They crazy AF.

BU

So you're no longer a resident after your 3rd year of residency. There is no PGY 4, 5,6. You're essentially paid like an Assistant Professor BU Medicine faculty salary

Please refrain from any unnecessary character assassination.

HOLY CRAP WHAT DID I JUST READ--I had no idea BU was so malignant

x3 I remember there being some bashing of BU last year but I never knew why

Can you imagine some BU PD (who is no longer PD) taking the time out of his day going on an SDN thread just to threaten people. What a jerk.

Nope, they are still trying to compensate for the disaster last year. -------->>>

Please refrain from any unnecessary character assassination.

What happened last year?

<- WOAH. IS THIS SHIT FOR REAL?

Yes

Someone deleted the link that was previously posted :/

Fixed.

I just picture the Boston U PD making some poor med student watch this thread deleting any bad thing posted about them

I applied to ~15 IM prelims- 1 invite

I applied to 29 IM prelims- 3 invites so far

Applied to 15 have 5 prelim invites but 4/5 are more community programs

For the people struggling to get invites, by any chance did you only apply to prelims that are considered "competitive" for whatever reason or did you mix it up and include community programs as well? I did not apply to community programs, all academic (that's why I applied to ~30)

applied to a mix of ~25 IM prelims in competitive location, 2 invites so far.

personally, I say dont freak out yet. My understanding is that you can email prelims when you get an advanced interview at a school and an "in the area" email -- if you dont have enough prelim interviews by Dec/Jan, I think many programs will make exceptions to their interview dates and accommodate you.

applied to 20-25 TY/prelim, at 9 interviews right now. I think I have been more fortunate than most

Our school IM chair told us not to stress, the invites will come. Especially since we're derm!

Anyone get prelim IM invites to BU, Medstar Washington Hospital Center, or Mount Auburn Hospital? If so were you internal or external? I Medstar washington prelim invite, external

I think boston med center sent invites, not that you still can't get one regardless

Mount Auburn, external x4

<-- what kind of stats?

so what is "enough" prelim invites after all? I was thinking 8 with some community programs i was interested in due to location should be enough?

Mt Auburn external invite here, step 1 240+, at Top 10 in NE region

Oh god what did I miss

check out the link to the right before the BU folks take it down again| already seen it and didn’t apply BU| I’m sure BU knows who this person is given that they said they had just interviewed there for a faculty position

Has BU been trolling again?

https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/boston-university-and-the-6-year-program.1125973/

for people who got a BU invite did you actually do the supplemental essay and do you want to stay on for the 3 years of being an attending

I did the essay x3; I want to do 80-20 research, so it's appealing. I'm a little concerned about the rumors about the department culture though. x3

i rotated at BU and there are a lot of misconceptions about the department. In particular many of the previous posts regarding BU were related to a Professor who is no longer affiliated with the department. The Chair and the associate PD are awesome and incredibly supportive. My main reason for contributing to this posts is because I think the residents are awesome and I don't think the programs name should be tarnished b/c of one individual who has since left BU. Happy to address any concerns based on my experience. Posting anonymously b/c there were very few rotators overall at this program - we were sent a survey at the end and could see who else rotated there.

Nice try. http://www.bumc.bu.edu/derm/vincent-falanga-md-facp/

i don't think their website is up to date. I asked a resident if he's still there and they said "no". I also never saw him at grand rounds or in clinic so if he is around then his involvement in training is minimal.

This program offers outstanding training for a future in academic dermatology while providing our residents with a nationally competitive salary and benefits that include a comprehensive health insurance plan.

What exactly did this guy do? https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/boston-university-and-the-6-year-program.1125973/

Why not go interview and form your own opinions of the program rather than continuing with this nonsense

<--- Amen.

BU secondary apps were real long. Guess all that went to waste

I don't think so. Personally i feel my secondary got me the interview

I really enjoyed it, I felt I got fantastic teaching and the residents were happy. Lots of support for research if you're into that.

Bottom line is no one knows, because no one has gone through it. Residents told me that it can't be legally binding per ACGME rules so if you want to do private practice no one is going to care even if BU doesn't like it. The twist they didn't tell us before was that if you want to do a fellowship far away, then you have to do it after the second 3, not the first. They're implementing that as a new rule for our class

It is definitely binding

How is it binding?

From where?

Also curious as most programs have said they do not do this x2 \| RTM calls x2 (from a top 10 program) - previous spreadsheets show what programs have done RTM calls in the past (., ., ., Henry Ford, BU, etc) - Was it ., . or .?

Yale is also top 10 and outright told us at the interview that they would be making RTM calls.

not OP, but I already got a RTM call from a top 20 program this week.

WashU or Iowa?

I didn't interview at Iowa, but my friend said he got a call from them. Didnt seem like a RTM, just a hey, we think you would be a great fit, any questions? kind of call.

So you think Iowa called all of their interviewees and said "we think you'd be a great fit"? Or what exactly constitutes a RTM call? Do they have to explicitly say you are ranked to match?

. will make calls This year but as far as I can tell they haven't started

I think Iowa called everyone. Why do you think this?

Maybe Iowa is lonely.

I interviewed at Iowa and didnt get a call so.... x2 |

<<I'm also curious about this. It seems kind of early for this

Maybe it's ., they finished their interviews in mid December. Or Yale.

I got a call from Yale

Did they try to get a sense of where you ranked them?

When did you get the call from Yale? Did anyone get a call from .?