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skin of color as in red man syndrome?

oh good question! I would like to know too

My guess: Mt. Sinai, Wake, Howard, UCSF, Harvard, U penn, NYU

< you forgot UTAH

NYU??? x2

absolutely NYU << dang one would think that best skin of color training would occur in places with high % skin of color pop (Detroit, Birmingham, Baltimore, etc)

really UTAH?

I think sarcasm

What about Henry Ford, Emory, UNC, NW? Henry Ford PD actually felt the need to reassure us during the interview presentation that they get to see skin cancer at community clinics because the main hospital is so heavily just skin of color

<I rotated at UNC and felt it was very diverse - agreed, very pleasantly surprised

Another vote for Wake Forest! Amy McMichael is an amazing doctor and person!

<- WF faculty seems diverse, but their patient population is still pretty rural and not as diverse

yes, but Dr. McMichael has an interest in SOC so tailors her teaching/clinic to that. She gave a talk to our program a few years ago, hence the fangirling.

Also, Hopkins has a specific initiative to support underrepresented minority faculty and residents.

And temple?

<< Not sure how true it is, but I have heard from multiple attendings (not at Sinai) that this is the case

x2 yes it's true

They certainly preference their research fellows/internals but they have historically taken a few outside candidates each year from what i understand

also have heard from people in the know that spots are pretty much all promised

did cornell externals go out? <just internals it seems

<unclear

Top tier: UPenn Harvard UCSF NYU Mayo Michigan, Emory, Henry Ford?) and Michigan and Mayo are not top tier. Would add Stanford, Hopkins, and UCLA instead)

would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow

UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly

UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.

No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo

Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5

To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs

MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts

1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt

<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too

<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.

<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.

I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.

name me a state with better Mexican food tho

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rqKiljOSngn8cDW85OXjU8cBGKARD3fl0x6auL2aHng/edit#gid=990838366

<< that should be it, i found it by searching http - meme --> Thank you so much!!

The derm gods have responded above!

Ugh, that moment when you see "AAMC email" and it's just confirmation for an upcoming prelim interview. << lol, so true

< don't jinx it!

calm before the storm << The middle of the week is usually slow. This will be a big week though if it is at all like last year -SD

^ doximity believes Icahn is a top 5 program... that should tell you everything about doximity rankings

Johns Hopkins and Penn are both overdue for interview invites this year. Hopefully, Vanderbilt sends its regular ones out today << Mayo AZ is also pretty overdue << Also, to the neurotics among us, just know that Penn, Vanderbilt, and Johns Hopkins have historically sent out their invitations in batches

Penn's website says by 11/25

<Hopkins and penn - both of these places so far out of my reach it doesn't affect me << Try not to feel this way. I was on 0 for a long time and got 2 interviews at top 10 programs. My app is so regular that I assumed it was a mistake. The point is, you never know and no program is a reach.

<haha, Mt. Sinai practically sends after Christmas, but I like the wishful thinking!

12/6 in 2017, but yes, probs too early.

11/5 was a busy day. Will 11/6 be just as prolific? Stay tuned folks. <Why Mt Sinai? Aren't they historically pretty late? << Because I have a feeling deep in my loins

UMiami most likely won't release dates until they complete their internal interviews.

when are the internal interviews?

I think we should call you sheet dad. There's a dude on the plastics sheet that is now called sheet dad and you are sheet dad. << I am a guy, and I am down to be called dad << thanks sheet daddy

skeet . daddy sheet daddy. Are you dual applying for derm and plastics? << Just derm << looking for a daddy this interview szn, any takers hit me up <<also need daddy I've been a bad grill

<< plastics sheet dad dropping by, nice to see others taking up the mantle

did you rotate? <I rotated there as an MS3 for family med but never for derm

< do you have to be religious to get an offer?

You must be religious, an ethnic minority and toothless << And baptised before the age of 3 << And you must have survived childhood holoprosencephaly << bruh

I've noticed that some programs (St. John's Episcopal Hospital, Still OPTI, OPTI West, Orange Park, NYMC, Lehigh, Larkin, Larkin Palm Springs, Icahn, HCA, Campbell, Bay Area) do not have "NRMP Program Code"s listed on ERAS. Anyone know why this is? I presume they are all participating in the match?

UMiami most likely won't release dates until they complete their internal interviews.

when are the internal interviews?

I think we should call you sheet dad. There's a dude on the plastics sheet that is now called sheet dad and you are sheet dad. << I am a guy, and I am down to be called dad << thanks sheet daddy

skeet . daddy sheet daddy. Are you dual applying for derm and plastics? << Just derm << looking for a daddy this interview szn, any takers hit me up <<also need daddy I've been a bad grill

<< plastics sheet dad dropping by, nice to see others taking up the mantle

My guess: Mt. Sinai, Wake, Howard, UCSF, Harvard, U penn, NYU

< you forgot UTAH

NYU??? x2

absolutely NYU << dang one would think that best skin of color training would occur in places with high % skin of color pop (Detroit, Birmingham, Baltimore, etc)

really UTAH?

I think sarcasm

What about Henry Ford, Emory, UNC, NW? Henry Ford PD actually felt the need to reassure us during the interview presentation that they get to see skin cancer at community clinics because the main hospital is so heavily just skin of color

<I rotated at UNC and felt it was very diverse - agreed, very pleasantly surprised

Another vote for Wake Forest! Amy McMichael is an amazing doctor and person!

<- WF faculty seems diverse, but their patient population is still pretty rural and not as diverse

yes, but Dr. McMichael has an interest in SOC so tailors her teaching/clinic to that. She gave a talk to our program a few years ago, hence the fangirling.

Also, Hopkins has a specific initiative to support underrepresented minority faculty and residents.

You must be religious, an ethnic minority and toothless << And baptised before the age of 3 << And you must have survived childhood holoprosencephaly << bruh

I've noticed that some programs (St. John's Episcopal Hospital, Still OPTI, OPTI West, Orange Park, NYMC, Lehigh, Larkin, Larkin Palm Springs, Icahn, HCA, Campbell, Bay Area) do not have "NRMP Program Code"s listed on ERAS. Anyone know why this is? I presume they are all participating in the match?

is this the only date? <only date available in my email

I got 1/31

so how many spots are available for externals/ non Sinai research fellows

I mean for the actual match in the end

great question

why do you guys ask? Is Sinai usually known for just taking internals? <Yes

based on what? <it's not just internals, but they usually do show preference to their research fellows for a portion of positions (which is not really unique to just Sinai)

<< Congrats!!!

anyone else rotate and not get an invite? <sorry no