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<The Stanford and Harvard posts were lies
pretty sure NYU said specifically that they would not be contacting us
They just said that to the scrubs
so you mean when the PD said that to the entire interview day, she decided we were all scrubs? lmao
I heard Harvard PD is bizarre. Seems nice but when I was rotating all residents really didn't respect her. Didn't feel that they had her support for fellowship or in their electives. UT Southwestern PD. THat program will chastize you for not going academic or not doing research. Plus he is one weird due. No denying UTSW you will come out well-trained and is a reputable program, but faculty is just not the nicest most supportive people (pending your goal).
<did not find this to be the case at all, also rotated there (and full disclosure, rejected with no interview). This feels like its spreading misinformation... << I would not just dismiss this as fake news. I rotated there as well and also felt like this PD was not present in residents' experience. Wasn't a big surprise to me given how big the program is, until I rotated at some other big programs and saw the difference in PD <uh, this is just not true at all the residents love the PD there wtflol
are all of you guys talking about harvard or utsw?<< Harvard. Residents don't like the PD there. <UTSW, I have never met hardvard PD; interviewwed at UTSW, he is an odd mofo. Other faculty isnt exactly pleasant either. UTSW is proud of their program though. Kim Yancey (the chair) is pretty cool and nice; I wonder if people have the same read as I do
ah ok! I was just wondering because I have heard conflicting things about the harvard pd and didn't know what to make of it. I didn't rotate at harvard or UTSW (and didn't interview at UTSW either) so I can't add to the discussion but maybe someone else here as a read on the UTSW PD they could share with you!
Agreed, just another example of fake news on the spreadsheet
this is what everyone says when they are butt hurt about their program being talked about negatively. Seems like theres no negatives to any programs!
Not misinfo, heard similar about Harvard PD. She's out of touch and awkward, doesn't seem to really know residents x4
Bwh pros: 12 weeks of research elective with no clinical responsibilities, epic, twilight system(can sign out at 4pm on many rotations), 4 weeks vacation in 2 week blocks, can trade 2 week blocks so pretty much get whatever schedule you want
< Could I ask where you got the 12 weeks of electives from? Per the website, prelims have only 2 months of elective time.<current intern. I have 11weeks i guess and then 4 weeks of back up call. First block of that i only got called in twice
that's actually pretty sweet if that's the case for every prelim. Something to ask about at the interview for sure
Cons - you work hard. Patient load always at maximum.
Nope.
well.. depends. do you want to do Mohs?
Even if you want to do mohs, if you have a regional preference that is swaying you towards the mid tier than I would still go with the mid tier bc Mohs fellowship interviews have regional preferences outside of top tier
Mohs fellowship is all about connections AND there were multiple small programs I interviewed at where the in-house spot goes to their residents if they want it OR they are so well-trained they do mohs occasionally in practice (at an academic center) without fellowship. For bread and butter derm, non-top programs are better in my opinion. Also having a PD/Chair go to bat for you is massive for Mohs.
< I know people who are planning to do academics/research and still are ranking mid tier (top 20?) over some top 5. There is life outside of residency for normal people, so if you have a reason you should do it
If you want a job in a highly desireable city/at a competitive job (not at academic) it does help to go to a "respected" program which could mean top 5. Helps get connections. If you want to do private practice in a smaller city, probably makes no difference.
Meh. What matters is a PD or chair who is going to pick up the phone and call everyone they know in XYZ city to get you that job. AND, importantly, that the PD or chair won't judge you for wanting a private practice job and will still put in as much effort helping you get that job.
Don't be dumb. The "bougie" pp centers love posting about how their doctors are trained at Hopkins or Harvard. Why do you think TV doctors all trained at Harvard? 95% won't care, but the bougie ones with the best payor mixes do.// << This is very sad but true, for the most competitive private practices name matters a ton :( If you want rural or smaller city or less competitive market, it won't matter where you go//...right, but who actually wants to go practice in those places? Most specialties have a "doctor shortage" because no one wants to live in those bad areas. Everyone wants to live in DC, Boston, SF, NYC, etc, so you do yourself a diservice by going to a lower program. Basically HAVE to do a fellowship to work in a competitive city.//
<U Miami. Terrible timing and terrible tone
incredibly out of touch. that program is low key malignant see the name and shame
What did it say? Didn't receive - x4 What happened?
They sent out an email an hour before NRMP saying that "UM Frost Dermatology will not be fortunate enough to train all of you talented and wonderful people, but I am confident that we will all be colleagues in years to come." They were trying to be positive but it was very stressful right before the NRMP email... -- Thanks for posting the email. yeah, that is stressful!
It was just so not on the pulse. They should really be ashamed of what they have become<<
He was trying to be nice...dont be dramatic
miami is not low key malignant, they are high key malignant... those pompous asshats don't even interview their own medical students... last year they had a med student match harvard that THEY didn't even interview... x1
There was mention of kindness from an Indian dude from UChicago, Asian dude from Yale and a cosmetics? guy from Penn
<where did these people match?
I think UChicago and Yale guys are at Harvard
On the tier list, it is ridicolous to classify UAB, vanderbilt, and UT Houston as upper mid tier. UT Houston is midtier, it is quite a great program, but hard to fathom it in the same league as the likes of U of Miami etc. Vanderbilt is 100% not upper mid tier; mid tier at best but likely "the rest". Residents are from lower tier schools, no one is going to academic, research is not growing. The only thing it has going is Nashville is a cool city and probably easy to attract faculty. UAB is maybe middle tier, but likely "the rest", most residents are from lower tier places, not going into academic, sure chair is famous (but which chair isn't though?there is a reason why they are chairs), faculty are all locale, not famous, too small. Birmingham is a small city to have interesting/diverse population, not exactly a referall center as well >> Good points, but what the hell does midtier even mean??? If midtier means average, then certainly Houston is no where near midtier. 20 residents 30+ faculty and tons of specialty clinics. They may not be top tier, but they are well above average. Again, all reasons why the spreadsheet rankings are ridiculous. << i think it's important to remember that there are people on here trying to spread misinformation... <<agree with this. also, a bit curious this person decided to attack 3 southern schools at an interesting time (UT houston just came out, vandy/UAB interviewed this week); is OP sandbagging? << seems to know a lot about these programs too.... how else would you know what residents are "going into" and that "research is not growing"?
<< outing derm program nepotism, for example, students who match at a parent's place of employment, is arguably an important step moving forward to discourage future foul play. thank you to all brave whistleblowers! <Yeah, the tier list is pointless. No need to give it any thought. While it is pointless, I really like there is an explanation why we should move those 3 programs down... TBH the explanation was pretty good haha << There is also a lot of bias since it is easier to try to move programs like Hopkins or Vandy higher on the list since those names have a better brand name... tier list is so silly in a field like derm where the vast majority of us are going to be in private practice. At which point 99% of patients don't give a shit where you did residency. << haha, someone deleted a comment about Harvard nepotism
#REF!
<<I have no issue with nepotism. If I have kids who want derm residency, I will definitely make phone calls and cash in favors. That’s how the world works. FWIW I’m a derm resident who matched without nepotism.
just because something DOES happen doesn't mean something SHOULD happen. yes, that's "the way the world works" but is arguably NOT the way the world should work.
yup, better late than never right? <<Yeah just don't want to be seen as annoying, but I am having trouble scheduling another interview bc I don't know which date the first one is
Is this for Harvard? I don’t think anyone has heard back yet from there? <<Yup. I don't want to piss them off but I do need to know the date...
< same :( / same as well, everyone loves the same 15 to 20 programs :( there goes my match to somewhere I care about
on the opposite end, looking at the list stressed me out because places I ranked high others didn't and places I ranked low others ranked high. Makes me wonder if I messed up my ROL x2
Its not really a surprise that people are ranking places like Harvard, Penn, Stanford, UCSF, etc. highly...
mrw no one is ranking my #1 as #1 or #2, which means i might match there and i would be very happy :))
Spoke with internal applicant at another program; it's v unlikely to budge this year given as the date has no conflicts
yeah I don't think anyone will get off waitlist this year x2
Jan 17 has no conflicts, ain't nobody cancelling a Stan interview
very unlikely
You guys forget that January 16 (their internal date) might have cancellations. Overlaps with Harvard and others
don't think stanford has a large applicant class and also don't think they're precluded from the 17th
small applicant class makes me wonder why they don't just open up January 16 to externals as well. Only 7 internal applicants + 3 rotators?
Wow that's a lot less than I would have expected. Does anyone know how many they interview on their external date?
I don't know where you got those numbers, but you're wrong. Stanford has a fair number of fellowship applicants as well.
that makes more sense
Not necessary if you have AOA-level grades and great letters. I was able to match without a research year x3 << to give another perspective, research is very important if you want to match at top academic programs (Harvard, UCSF, the like).<<got interviews at most of the top 5 without a research year. i dont think its necessary. << did you do any research?
<< N=1 but I had AOA, 250s/270s, good letters, and here I am unmatched x1
sorry to hear that. are you soaping? << Had 1 soap interview, had lots of people email/call to support me, no offer<aw im so sorry, what do you think went wrong? << no idea, I think they just interviewed a lot of people and liked them more than me I guess
maybe personality? I myself am an introvert, and I feel like people in derm treat introversion like a disease << they're missing out. sending you a virtual hug. << thanks. It sucks to get hopes up a 2nd time and fail, but I'll just do my prelim and apply again. Failing that, research fellowship << can't imagine how difficult it must be to have been disappointed a second time. glad you have a plan, and best of luck my friend<<I'm in the same spot as you, interviewed yesterday for a SOAP spot and was really hoping it would work out. As much as I'd love a spot to be open in round 2 I know it's unlikely. Just wanted you to know you're not alone in this process. Best of luck to you!
Do you guys mind sharing what program you interviewed yesterday? I myself am PGY1 in prelim right now soaping and didn't get a spot in round 1; how do we know if SOAP spots get filled for that specific program?< The list gets updated at the end of each round; each round lasts 2 hours then i guess it gets updated at 2 PM EDT< yes it gets updated at 205
How many intervieews did you have AOA/ 250/270 are crazy stats. << I had 9 interviews, 2 of them med-derm <<sorry you didnt match. I had 260s+ on steps and didnt match but was able to match to spot during my prelim year
How many interviews did you have? << 9 total, 2 med-derm, 2 from my aways, 1 from home. So I got only 4 random derm interviews
Seems like the best of both worlds. Incredible program and training and as far as reputation goes, it is very high up there. Cornell is an Ivy League name which is super reputable. Is it Harvard or Stanford, no, but I'd argue it's only the next tier down as far as prestige goes
<I don't have an answer but dont forget reputation is an extrinsic measure that doesn't tell you much. It is also highly contentious as this sheet has shown over the past months. Clinics, patient population, speciality exposure, fellowship match, research can all be considered individually according to what matters to you. If rep matters though you can factor that in, but again it is super contentious, mostly research based, and seems made up half the time (aka loudest ppl on google sheet determine the accepted rep)
i guess fuck anyone who doesn't have 3 interviews lol
good point. that was insensitive
rank #3 > rank #2 still doesn't make sense though also lmfao at the predominance of respondents ranked ivies first, so there's obviously a bias here
LOL
unequal number, because people adding to it. Stanford just jumped 4 up in like 15 minutes // ha, Harvard just did it in short period too, smh
< what a joke whoever posted that. harvard emailed everyone they interviewed last year with post interview comm, did not reflect rank list positions
IU had to soap all 4 spots i think << IU is Indiana University?
yes
< how do you know? Is there a list of SOAP spots?
i saw it on the 2018-2019 spreadsheet around match time
Anyone know what happened with the IU program? I heard it may have been an ERAS submission error since they are otherwise regarded as a good program. Has any derm program ever had to SOAP all spots?
So I still have a chance to match into derm?
meh weird if it was a error cause I heard they matched like 1 of the spots and others were SOAP
ooooh i didnt know they matched 1 << didn't they match someone from Harvard? Was that through SOAP?
yes i think so
wow a Harvard med student didn't match? << I heard a couple of harvard people didnt match derm... << HOW DID THEY LIKE THEM APPLES
wow that's crazy! did they have disciplinary problems?
yeah one of them got DUI
the one that matched IU or unmatched?
IU
lol damn
how was this info even leaked lmao << a resident on one of my aways had just come back from leave.....for a DUI. Their mug shot came up on Google next to their professional headshot.
how long a leave do you have to take for a DUI? Not that I'm planning on getting one lol
LMAO, also its amazing they let him/her come back
wait you're saying the Harvard student that matched at IU got a DUI?
didn't UMASS or UCONN match all IMGs, was that through SOAP or intentional? << I heard from a few reliable sources that UMass intentionally matched 2 IMGs and took 1 resident who was switching from another specialty at UMass. They did not SOAP and from their website it looks like one of the first times ever they didn't take at least 1 of their own students. Not to say non-traditional applicants don't deserve a shot, but there are many fantastic US MD seniors who didn't match last year.
Indiana matched 1 of their 5 spots last year without the SOAP. They have 5 spots every 3rd year (back to 4 this year).
so what's wrong with the program? How come they had to SOAP? <I rotated there - there was one mean attending but everything else seemed good - not sure how I’d explain it being the only program that needed to SOAP and having 80% of its spots go unfilled (before the SOAP)
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I got Harvard and NYU RTM calls x 4 <lol