U Rochester/Strong Memorial-NY

I'm waiting for the Mayo Rochester trickle post-Thanksgiving because (1) lots of people won't be able to make it during the days with lot of overlap and (2) the applicants are required to submit their interview dates by today

ehh year after year they recruit 3 off the waitlist. Trust the process haha! No biggie just venting

< dates are on the Calendar tab, Jan 13, 14, 21, 24

Thanks, stranger!

< I don't know the interview dates myself as I was rejected, but the PC seems like a nice, chill person. I think if you called or emailed her tomorrow she'd be happy to tell you. If you got waitlisted it means they like you and they want you there.

Thanks for the advice, but I fear that this might seem like counting chicks before they hatch.

congrats.! x5 << Method of contact? ERAS

are you Midwest?

no one understands the process. x3. Just because Mayo is considered "prestigious" doesn't mean it also isn't located in Rochester, MN. x2 "Ranking" doesn't always equate with competitiveness.

ha i dont think so, give an example? Example = Mayo Rochester. << this is the best circular logic i've seen in this spreadsheet lmfao <<snowflake wanted mayo interview obvs. <<< Yeah I'm sure they get near top rankings by sifting thru a thin stack compared to Sunny Place St. University. SMH

Even though Mayo Rochester's location may be less than ideal, they still invite and match stellar candidates, I wouldn't devalue this person's invite. <-- I don't mean to devalue, but I also think people "overvalue" invites from certain programs.

Congrats! That's still better the rejection (which I got). Mayo didn't give me an interview for their medical school, and decided not to send me an outright interview for derm. Oh well, I guess I can apply to work there as an attending :'(

Ask yourself if you really want to live there tho lol

What if we didn't get rejected or waitlisted? Ultimate limbo? On the waitlsit for the waitlist?

lol

x2

lol i like how this was added before column A was even done . <<haha i saw the red flash there and assumed it was for mayo

that's why I thought I'd start with the red fill rather than putting people through the !!! new invite? wait

much appreciated

And none for Gretchen Weiners

I'm dying

Congrats! x3

thoughts on this program?

interviewed here last year and loved it! Great program in a great location, the biggest drawback is that it's a small ;dept and only 2 res per year

awesome thank you! how does this Mayo Clinic site compare to the Rochester one in terms of resources, research, pathology and future job prospects (academic and private)

didn’t interview at Rochester but it’s for sure not as much of a powerhouse. They do have good faculty and research, lots of support for research and access to Mayo patient databases in the entire Mayo system including Rochester; lots of admin support for research as well, like someone can write and submit your IRB stuff etc. as far as I remember

That's awesome! Are you guys internal or rotators by chance?<<nope, external no ties x3 << mayo-AZ doesn't have internals...

LOL I'm an idiot << Well, they do, but not for this cycle. I think their med school opened last year.

Yo anyone made contact about the hotel reservation?

<anyone else in the still no-news gang

yup

sorry guys

I haven't heard them sending waves of invites, why not just reject dafuq << They will string some people on for a while since there interview are not until January and other programs that overlap haven't released invites yet << yep, and heavy filter program

ugh y doe << what does heavy filter mean?

Please CTRL+Z to undo if copied over by accident

ah thank you!! just tried it for the two spaces to the left and I'm not sure I did it right? << no worries, it happens!

so... what if i didn't get invited but also didn't get rejected? this gonna be like wake all over again? lol x4

they should just reject us rather than staying in limbo x1 << Just checked last year's chat and rejections came in waves. << while you're checking chat...by this point were interviews similarly distributed? or what tf is going on? << After a couple of waves of rejections, there's Mayo limbo, which appears to be a kind of wait list in case someone scheduled from the first draft dropps... Actually looks like a formal waitlist email came out later.

WAKE me up inside (WAKE me up inside) Call my name and save me from the daaaaaark

LMAO I love you guys

WHEN ITS ALL OVER

Congrats!! Method of contact? Interview Dates?

ERAS

Research or Regular track? << I didn't get an invite, but PC said that they don't discriminate with interviews that way and they talk about it when the applicant gets to the interview. << awesome, that's cool. Congrats!

The derm gods have responded above!

Ugh, that moment when you see "AAMC email" and it's just confirmation for an upcoming prelim interview. << lol, so true

<< This is a long post with some relevant data in addition to your predictions. Hope you all find this useful and have a goodnight! -SD << You're #1 in my heart. Thanks SD <3 x7 <<< SheetDaddy fan here, but I think if the posts were smaller, more morsels/highlights, like the first program prediction/tally template - we'd probably get most people on board. On mobile a post like this to the left takes up entire screen

<-- Download the "Calm" App. << why? << because this is neurotic! << Chill out bro, don't read it if you don't like it instead of being negative. Maybe you should spend your time using the "calm" app instead of being up everyones ass x6 << this actually is pretty neurotic, and I don't think saying something is neurotic should invite such a volatile response. Like damn this whole SD shit is becoming cult-like and stupid.

Hey SD--how many interviews do you have? x2

sdff

<you got this just now?< maybe like an hour or so ago via ERAS <<< No Rochester Rejection Tally: X2

Have they sent out invites yet?

no <<< No rejection yet....so you're sayin' there's a chance?

doesn't sound like a ton of applicants were rejected or it wouldve been posted earlier

<< that is so weird that they sent out late night rejections and not having sent out invites

Does that mean invites are likely soon? << maybe, but last year they sent out invites 12/7

If you want to do Mohs, it can be helpful to choose a program that has a Mohs fellowship (for instance, Stanford does not). You may want to also consider that certain top programs may be less likely to want to train their own residents. For instance, I've heard UCSF sometimes prioritizes non-UCSF residents for Mohs fellowship slots - in that case, the reasoning is they'd prefer to train people who'd be less likely to stay in the Bay Area as the market is already saturated there and they don't want to train more "competition" for their own practice. That's certainly not to say that any of those top programs won't be super supportive in your application to other top programs. It's honestly probably a case-by-case thing. << that's a BS made up story. They dont care if you stay in the area. You aren't "competition" for them. If that ridiculous postulation were true, no program would train people from their home program for fear of "competition" to their practice. Ridiculous. >> the competition piece is a common concern for Mohs surgeons, so it is true.. not sure who feels so confidents its not, it is, it is well known in the Mohs field that people dont want to train their own competitoin -- certainly not all mohs surgeons, but about 50% probably feel this way including some at academic institutions<< that may be true overall but the OP was specifically saying this about UCSf and it should have been a more general statement, because it doesnt only apply to UCSF. << seems like the OP is just trying to make UCSF look bad when, in actuality, it is probably one of the most supportive programs in the top 5 for Mohs

<--That's not true at all. UCSF basically always offers to keep their residents if they want to stay. I know that for a fact. They've had plenty of years where 2/3 or 3/3 fellows were UCSF residents.

OP here. This is based off discussions with a former UCSF resident who wanted to stay at UCSF but did not match there. I have no idea what this specific residents relationship with the department was...but can you tell you this is honest and true information I discussed with said resident. UCSF is a great and supportive training program. And this person did match elsewhere at a great program. Honestly not trying to mislead anyone. << one residnet not matching at their program doesn't mean "they dont like to keep their own residents." That was likely a resident specific issue. It's not helpful when you use broad/sweeping statements. <--- OP again. The way I was explained this was this was the "culture" at UCSF for Mohs - and same logic was applied to other internal applicants that year. I also personally know my own program's Mohs fellowship director prefers not to take internal candidates - though he's very supportive of getting them matched elsewhere. His rationale is more that he prefers to bring in "new" people to the program, rather than preventing "competition", though our metro area is also admittedly saturated with Mohs surgeons and it is difficult to impossible to find a full time position. I've also heard of other programs - like Mayo Rochester for instance - highly favor internal applicants. It's an institution-specific thing.

I will second the fact that its common knowledge that many places don't want to train their competition for Mohs. I have no knowledge about which specific programs / if this applies to UCSF, but just backing up the OP in saying that this line of thinking would not be out of place as it is prevalent in the Mohs field <<To echo this, this is true for many subspeciality fellowships in many different fields. New fields that are not recognized fellowships yet often have fellows sign noncompetes today which was true for some Mohs programs 15-20 years ago (and probably still true for the some that are not ACGME). Now, most fellowships can't have official noncompetes, but they will try to pick applicants with that in mind...medicine is a business.

this is true and has actually been studied/reported in the literature. https://journals.lww.com/dermatologicsurgery/Citation/2019/10000/Micrographic_Surgery_and_Dermatologic_Oncology.15.aspx

yes. They seem like they are of comparable rank. NW is in the top 10. Definitely can't compare NW with Rochester or UTSW. < You can't go wrong with any of these. I feel like you're splitting hairs with regard to quality of training and should be basing your decision off of location. x2

UTSW is known to be INTENSE you will be HIGHLY trained. Northwestern AMAZING Pediatric dermatology exposure & Mohs. Mayo = Great COMPLEX med derm and research support (you get dedicated research assistants etc.) Depends on your career goals. ALL will prepare you for Academic Medicine. If you want to do Mohs I would say UTSW>NW>Mayo If you want PEDS NW>Mayo>UTSW

Go to Northwestern. You'll be glad you did.

False completely. If mohs, go to Mayo, they have 3 internal spots, and in recent recent years, they have matched 5-6 residents yearly to mohs. However, they are not well known to churning out academic derm (last 3 years, no one is going to academic). They really care about fits more than score, medical school reputation and research

<even with name, they have TREMENDOUS difficulty attracting actual top tier applicants, Rochester is just... you know