Hosp of the Univ of PA (Dermatology/3 yr)

Interesting that 20 people that interviewed at Penn have filled out the rank lists (out of 29 people), 8 ranked it first, and 20 ranked it top 3?

Reposting because deleters: I compiled the percentages of residents from top programs who also came from top medical schools. Data is from residency websites on 10/23: Residents from T20 med schools: Stanford: 24/31 (77%) NYU: 18/25 (72%) UCSF: 14/22 (64%) Penn 13/21 (62%) Harvard: 17/32 (53%) Residents from T10 med schools: NYU: 15/25 (64%) Stanford: 19/31 (61%) Penn: 10/21 (48%) Harvard: 14/32 (44%) UCSF: 9/22 (41%)

I compiled the percentages of residents from top programs who came from top medical schools. Data is from residency websites on 10/23: Residents from T10 med schools: NYU: 15/25 (64%) Stanford: 19/31 (61%) Penn: 10/21 (48%) Harvard: 14/32 (44%) UCSF: 9/22 (41%) Residents from T20 med schools: Stanford: 24/31 (77%)

Those who rotated at Uab, why do you think they didn't interview a lot of away rotators? Spill the tea. << Well for starters, UAB is a really strong Dermatology program. They don't need to interview all rotators. Good candidates come to them in the application process. << this sounds like something written by an attending or resident < what makes Uab strong? why would you want to be a derm faculty there vs at Northwestern or UMich or UTSW or UMiami or UPenn or Yale even << You're shifting the goalposts and asking a different question w/regards to the caliber of Dermatology residency programs (how you choose residency programs when it comes to training you vs. how you choose residency programs where you want to go to be an academic faculty member are totally different questions). And to the person who wrote directly after me above, yes, I'm actually a PGY-4 Derm resident, but I wanted to give some perspective as someone now on the other side of the match process. It's somewhat hard to understand for Derm applicants while you'going through it, to see and evaluate derm programs in a methodical way until they get to the other side, where it makes a lot more sense. I'll admit that it's not ideal, when you're trying to decide as an MS-3 student, where exactly to rotate in Derm in MS-4 to maximize your chances of matching into Derm or at least receiving interviews from places that you have rotated.

Penn actually has a fair number of non-Ivy < Penn is not in the top tier because of this< penn is top tier because if you took the 5 most famous/well funded derms and they took their talents elsewhere the dept would still be a top dept. if you did the same to utsw, yale, hopkins, northwestern etc those dept rankings would take a huge dip

What mentors at UPenn do you think are exceptional?

did upenn tracks hear back?

anyone get ucsf + upenn?

Anyone got interviews at Harvard Stanford ucsf and UPenn? < I got 3/4 of these

So kinda random but in my Penn invite it said for a position as a resident physician of dermatology and medicine beginning July 2024…this doesn't mean med/derm right? I def didn't apply to that. Anyone else have that wording?

So I saw on the UPenn website they have an additional supplemental application. If I forgot to fill it out will they throw out my app?

quick question for the programs that have a community engagement track like UPenn or Duke -- are interviews offered for either reg track vs special tracks or a standard interview for program in general? <Duke said if you apply for multiple tracts, you will be considered for all of them during the time of your interview. There isnt a seperate interview IIRC from the DEI zoom session

Hi everyone. M3 here and thinking about aways. Is it worth doing aways at the top programs? < The advice I received is to focus more on doing aways at programs that may be interested in taking you, and that you would be happy training at. It may not be your first choice, but a good fit nonetheless. Top programs are unlikely to interview you based on away rotation performance alone. The rest of your application should be among the top derm applicants as well. << Agreed on this. Depending on the tier of your particular medical school, don't do audition Derm rotations at top-tier Derm places like Harvard, UCSF, Penn, NYU, Stanford, etc. thinking that you're somehow just going to so "wow" derm attendings w/your med student derm knowledge & hard work that you'll either get an interview or that you'll get a stellar letter to be able to use to get interviews at other places (keep in mind that these places have their own home med students going for Derm whom they have worked with for years). That's just not how it works, unfortunately, even w/stratospheric board scores. Wouldn't matter even if you read & memorized all of Andrews. Choose the location and institution of your audition derm elective carefully (talk w/your home derm program faculty mentors, w/previous graduating Derm alumni from your institution, etc.). It can sometimes mean the difference between matching vs. not matching. < what if you have strong connections at top programs and then do an away there, ie stanford/upenn mentor for 2 years and then do an away? << If you have strong connections (I'm assuming you did research w/that Stanford/UPenn Derm mentor for 2 years and were relatively productive) then yes, it could very much help. This is where showing your academic record and CV to that Stanford/UPenn mentor would help.

Do y'all think it's worth it to signal top tier places (UCSF, Penn, etc)?

Can we all just respect each other as future colleagues? The biased attacks on groups of people (both URM and ORM) goes to show how much medicine needs to change. < Just a hunch, maybe stop treating Asian Americans below as the "new white people." < why? they attached themselves to white people when it was cool lol now that it is no longer working, they now want to be urms LOL < You need real mental therapy for your racism and bigotry. You truly do. I'll pray for you. < It's amazing how some URMs are unable to see the nuisances of other minority groups situations while vocally tauting their own. < They're the perpetual victim. They now feel comfortable attacking Asians because they never feel good enough. < "they attached themselves to white people" wtf does that even mean < They're saying Asian Americans are "white adjacent." Meaning they try to act and conform and uphold white people's societal standards. It's so laughable on its face how blatantly racist it is. < idk about everyone else but i've heard the "ching chong" bullshit too many times to feel close to white people < That doesn't count for them. You also assume URMs won't do that to Asian people too. I've seen it as well. See the violence against Asians in places like NYC. It ain't white people.