I'm trying to distract myself with crazy scenarios for my interviews lol so please just entertain this. Do people actually know anyone who has turned down Harvard for another T5 like Penn, NYU, UCSF, Stanford? Not anecdotal but actually know this to be true? <know somebody who interviewed at almost all of these and chose another program over Harvard, they felt like it was a better fit< unsure if this is confirmed or not but I think that chick who matched UCSF and is active on twitter picked it over these schools listed.< why are you assuming this? lol < I can confirm this is true from a trustworthy source < so i'm an applicant this year but from a top school and talking to those who matched last year, apparently harvard has a "reputation" for working residents super hard and not really having the best camraderie when you compare it to like ucsf < it is also just overrated. every time that comes up, someone here acts like because it is harvard we can't call it out. it is just not that great compared to others you listed< the hero we don't deserve!
Hosp of the Univ of PA (Dermatology/3 yr)
PennPhiladelphia, PA
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Did anyone else not get penn supplement?
is the penn supplement working for anyone today? it keeps giving me an error message :/
Are there really only 4 program specific supplemental applications this year (BU, UTSW, Penn, Lehigh Valley)? I already filled out Penn's app (took less than 5 min) but is it even worth writing supplementals for only 3 other extra programs? Is it because of the new ERAS supplemental that the number of program specific supplemental apps is low? < i think so. I only did the UTSW one because I had answers. I applied to BU because why not, not sure how to say that in 5 paragraphs
penn up 12% to 654 apps this cycle. < somehow i thought they already got like 700 normally
HELP.. i just realized UPenn said apply PRIOR to 9/29 ....i thought the time stamp was the same (9/29) regardless as long as it was all applied before 9 am.
anyone have insight into if pennsylvania programs other than Penn and UPMC take students outside of pennsylvania? seems like resident lists from programs like Jefferson, temple, and penn state are all from penn affiliated medical schools.
y'all have no chill hahaha. Penn has an upcoming meet and greet in like 4 days we should ask them how they can be in philly and have Dr Taylor and no black residents lol < i think they just matched a black girl this past match < yes. they had to create a whole separate spot to be able to match their one black resident lol < Lol a Penn Black resident graduated last year, and 2 were matched last cycle.
Is it even worth it to give a token to places like Penn, UCSF, NYU, Harvard?
Some programs are starting to confirm virtual interviews on twitter < a list so far (add to it if you see) - WashU, UPenn, Cleveland Clinic, U Wash, UAMS, UNM, UMASS, UVA, Harvard
Some programs are starting to confirm virtual interviews on twitter < a list so far (add to it if you see)- WashU, UPenn, Cleveland Clinic, U Wash, UAMS, UNM, UMASS, UVA, Harvard
What are the top 5 programs for derm? Harvard, Penn, NYU, UCSF < Yea those programs seems to be the usual consensus < I feel like these are all overrated. < how can they be overrated if they are literally the best programs in the country< I think of these 4 NYU is probably the best and Harvard probably the weakest. x4 < Seems like NYU=UCSF>Penn>Harvard from the websites and what I've heard on the topical podcast but I don't think I will get interviews at any of these lmfao < which episode talks about program rankings?< OP here. There is no episode that has rankings. I was speaking to my own research looking at their curriculums and schedules. I brought up the Topical podcast because there is an episode that talks about the weaknesses at Harvard Combined which seemed to make the training a little weaker than the others mentioned, but what do I really know? < I think it comes down to geographic preferences and career goals between these programs. They all have their strengths and their weaknesses, but train amazing dermatologists.
M3 here curious if people did not rank Stanford and UCSF highly causing them both to go far down their lists (they both matched IMGs). Is that normal?< UCSF is considered the best program in the country by many. They can do whatever they want and rank who they want. Stanford is Stanford, pretty sure they are in the same boat as UCSF and don't match far down their lists. UCSF also interviews like 20 people. That is a different level of elite. x2 <also being an IMG does not mean they are a bad candidate, some of them have already been derms in other countries for years, with tons of research in us, and/or phd's. they probably are/were better than other candidates x4< yea the IMGs the T10s match are always insane candidates x2
the fact that this M3 is insulting IMG's who earned a spot at stanford and UCSF is literally insane. IMG's have to work way harder to get a spot and an IMG who is able to match anywhere in derm let alone a top program is way more qualified than you, I guarantee it. x1 << The M3 person is also missing that the UCSF candidate did an entire UCSF pediatrics residency... and is now doing a 2nd residency< The UCSF resident has the following credentials: MD, PhD, peds residency in France, Peds derm fellowship in France, Peds Residency at UCSF THEN matched at UCSF derm with these impressive credentials and TBH probably the most qualified/impressive person they matched this cycle (this is saying a lot since their match list is baller). What do you have M3?
Stanford resident is editor-in-chief of a journal and did research at Oxford and Stanford! So impressive!!!!
< these M3s are on another level. Get an interview at one of these programs and let us know your thoughts then. x 12< lol this is prolly the same person from a few rows down who was trying to know which T5 offered best "clinical training"
I unfortunately matched at Stanford instead of UCSF. Will I be a horrible clinician as a result?/s
yes, no sarcasm
Patient: I think I have warts, what do you think doctor? Doctor: IDK I went to stanford <LOLLL x2 Imagine some people actually ranking one of the CA schools above the PA, NY, or God forbid MA school!
is this a joke or do people actually only rank Penn and Harvard for being ivy league schools over UCSF and Stanford?
do derm programs forbid their residents from doing a residency at a TY? Is that a thing?
they can't
they frown upon it, but no they can't stop you
most derm programs don't even frown upon it. My T25 derm program actively encouraged me to do a TY.
I am sure you are at a good program, but there is no such thing as a T25 as there are no respected rankings that are so granular. There is the T5ish, then an additional 5-10 places that people call "T10" because they are just barely outside the t5, but people debate how they compare to one another. That's it, don't quantify. Congrats on the match! Sounds like an awesome program
Of course there are top ~25 programs, and I guarantee that the one I matched into is one of them, based on discussions with "T5" mentors and placement of residents who come from my new program.< someone salty they arent in a t25
Not salty at all. Matched a "T5 vs T10," I just think using these b.s. rankings outside of Penn, NYU, Harvard, UCSF is dumb
< lurking M3 here. Are NYU and UCSF actually better than Harvard and Stanford?
no. Any of these 4 as well as many more academic programs will set you up for any career you want. x2< I want to know which one of these has the best clinical training, or is Penn better than all 4?
splitting hairs< I would say NYU and UCSF are a tad strongger clinically because of the time spent at the VA and County hospitals = more autonomy but all will set you up nicely. Harvard doesn't have a real continuity clinic so docks some quality there but Stanford is the weakest of all 4.
M3, why don't you apply to them and see where (if any) you are offered interviews before splitting microscopic hairs. X2 There is no difference between these programs, and many more, in terms of what you can do after residency. None.
this is not true. Within top 4, there is a pretty clear pecking order
Spoken like a true med student. You will not be limited in your career by attending any of the top ~25 academic derm residencies.
upenn is the best program on the east coast, ucsf on the west coast< THANK YOU!
< You guys are missing my point. I wanted to know if NYU and UCSF have better clinical training than Harvard and Stanford. Not if they will equally set me up for a career. Is Harvard the best program? Why is this so hard to answer?
Aways that interview rotators (please add): UNC, UTSW, Cook County, UT Houston, OU, Penn State
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imagine thinking UCSF/Stanford matched an IMG because they couldn't find anyone else haha x1000001