Hosp of the Univ of PA (Dermatology/3 yr)

There was mention of kindness from an Indian dude from UChicago, Asian dude from Yale and a cosmetics? guy from Penn

<where did these people match?

I think UChicago and Yale guys are at Harvard

I think it must be an accident. Who would delete it on purpose?

It wasn't an accident. Someone went on a rampage and replaced everything with UPenn and incorrect names

< the same people who was spamming the sheet with UPenn stuff

LOL

<why so secretive?!? Everyone will be on websites eventually <seriously though<or if you know where people are/who your coresidents are fill the spots in

<< because some creep that didn't match may search me up and try to kill me x3<um no.< I'm scared of that crazy guy that didn't get into penn....that dude holds a grudge

x1000 look at the match list now <lmaooo wtffff

this is why we can't have nice things

as if this information wont be posted online in a year or so< time heals all wounds... those that didn't match can have crazy thoughs, be careful

However, I would discourage lying/making it seem like you want to do peds derm if you don't actually...Programs also seem to be interviewed peds residents completing peds training

You should be able to do Peds Derm fellowship after a Peds residency just like you can do Dermpath fellowship after Path residency. Who is going to do Derm, then Peds to make significantly less money? That's why there's a shortage plain and simple. -- Peds Derm after peds would be terrible, they would not be adequately prepared for the job, Sorry but you need a derm residency to be equipped for peds derm. - Absolutely false and some programs are now training Peds in Derm due to the shortage

"Who is going to do Derm, then Peds to make significantly less money?" Someone who isn't in this for money maybe >> then the field needs to stop matching so many ppl who are in it for the money. the i want to do academic derm but promptly join private practice cosmetics right after finishing. to each their own, but it's silly to complain about residents' career choices when you're the gatekeeper to the field and picked them >> also peds EM you can do after both EM and peds so there's precedent that some subspecialties can have multiple pathways << Don't be dumb, Ped and Peds ER actually overlap, Peds and Peds derm are worlds apart. << the person who said some programs are now training peds in derm...what programs are those? i'm just curious bc i have not heard that and just wondering if i'm behind on some changes.

There are 2 on the east coast I am aware of and they are doing it out of desperation. Billing is the same regardless if boarded in Peds Derm or not.

<great advice! also I want to add that if your home program is not advocating for you by making calls to your number one, they should be! Ask your mentors to advocate for you because everyone else is! Shame on mentors who don't!!!

<- TBH none of my mentors offered to and didnt make calls when i asked them to either. Its not as common as you would think unfortunately. x3 <Its a sad situation. Mentors should want to advocate and step up for their mentees

Wish this was the case... my mentors were lazy af, had me write my own LoR, didn't really give any tips or advice, i didn't even feel comfortable talkin to them regarding my progress during the application and interviews, they seems more preoccupied with their lives acting like they are gods gift to this world... x2

In re: to peds derm advice.. I was told to be cautious in advertising this heavily because some faculty are immediately turned off by this. The reality is that most people who say they want to do peds derm never actually do. x2

if you decide to state your interest in peds derm, then you better have really strong evidence of a genuine interest in peds derm on your CV (Camp Discovery, multiple research projects, LORs from peds derms)

Peds residents are not prepared to be peds dermatologists with a 1-year peds derm fellowship... unless you want to make peds derm fellowship 3 years like other peds fellowships. I would also say...dont try and "fake" interest in pediatric dermatology. You'd be serving yourself better by applying with your true career goals in mind. Furthermore, may programs do not have peds derm fellowship or robust peds derm attendings, so knowing you have an "interest" in this subject may indicate that you'd prefer training at other programs with more robust peds derm training.

Peds actually get a decent amount of derm training. Obviously nothing close to derm-trained, but that means that they already start off with basic information. They know some about/have heard of medical aspect of some genodermatoses. Also, if they are now only doing peds derm, fellowship could only be 2 years since they would still be more focused than general derm, though I suppose you can see mostly anything in kids.

I also want to reiterate this as someone who is interested in peds derm. heard that there's enough ppl who lie about their interest that now programs are skeptical. i was told this by my home program. i was like wtf. you can't win. you have a genuine interest and now you're gonna get grilled to see if it's genuine bc other bad apples ruined it.x2 it's just like the research requirement for derm. you gotta have research but if you have too much now you're branded a research person and more clinical programs or the non harvard /UCSF /penn places think you're not gonna want to go there. you cannot win so just be real and do the best you can x2

see comment two boxes left. you're right - it sucks that you're damned if you, damned if you don't in derm. but there are other ways to prove genuine interest on your CV << Oh yeah, I did Camp Discovery, had 2 peds derm LoR, and did rotations at places with peds derm....but I was just saying it's pretty absurd to have to worry that in addition to everything else

too much fun

the Parker>Patel thing was pretty good tbh

Panda no likey <XD

lol Schlomo UPMC

I'm just glad we can talk candidly about Penn now

Seriously can we move on from this drama? 96% of us don't give a shit about Penn one way or the other. x1000 Can somebody explain how it's legal for state and local governments to lock down entire US cities? I get that there is a public health crisis, but I still don't see how this supersedes the bill of rights > it supersedes it, the same way you have a freedom of speech but can be arrested for going into a movie theater and shouting fire while there's no fire, every right has it limit.>> trump supporter ladies and gents here's one legal justification for a lockdown: https://verdict.justia.com/2020/03/15/lock-us-down-suspend-habeas-save-the-nation

<<Correction 99% of us don't care about Penn one way or another x3

we have the screenshots, let's move on

<< Coronavirus is raging, people are stuck at home, the economy is falling apart, doctors and nurses are dying.... LITERALLY every problem is much more important right now, so if your feelings were hurt this cycle, suck it up and MOVE ON

Last year I watched almost every match day video over the past two years. It's how I survived my research year as my classmates graduated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=votFxYAY9UE Is Penn still having their match day?

ugh regrets doing this, i just watched my schools from last year and cried that I won't have the same experience :(

it's derm. i've made peace with going anywhere on my list

< same :( / same as well, everyone loves the same 15 to 20 programs :( there goes my match to somewhere I care about

on the opposite end, looking at the list stressed me out because places I ranked high others didn't and places I ranked low others ranked high. Makes me wonder if I messed up my ROL x2

Its not really a surprise that people are ranking places like Harvard, Penn, Stanford, UCSF, etc. highly...

mrw no one is ranking my #1 as #1 or #2, which means i might match there and i would be very happy :))

coming from a smaller school, I am SO happy I got to apply before this crap lol << say bye-bye to IMGs and DOs applying to derm #NewFilters// #hater #NoNeedYourNegativeComments You sound too happy about blocking DOs and IMGs// not at all, I think the change is going to bring even more nepotism to a field already full of it. I think the labels of MD/DO/IMG/FMG are irrelevant in your ability to be a doctor <chill, theyre not hating on DO's/IMG's. They're stating the likely downstream impact. The one objective measure that would help those applicants stand out is now out the window until Step 2 becomes the new step 1

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https://usmle.org/inCus/

Derm is gonna be a shit show. Prestige, honors, research

"tier" of med school just became a lot more important. Honoring clerkship doesn't matter since some top tier schools have P/F clinical grades...

at least in my MSPE, my raw/percentile for all shelfs are posted, so now its gonna be on that too. lmao arms race

grades will always trump shelf scores. Penn honors with 80% shelf will be more favorable than lower tier school honors with 95th percentile

What about the PHDs?

what about us? 4 more years to grind out Step 2 CK anki decks during our phd, get that 280 lmao

will be totally dependent on step 2 then!

Derm doesn't care a lick about step 2

they will now x2<also, this is totally false, had many interviewers comment on "how impressed they were" by my CK score (at multiple top 10 programs)

what was your step 2 score? Mine is pretty high and no one said anything.

yeah I anticipate that the new score screen will be step 2 and programs will just make having step 2 scores mandatory...

sounds suspect to me if there was only 1 person. Wonder what these ppl get out of doing fake RTM? maybe they think the rest of us will rank these places lower?

Unfortunately its near impossible to interpret RTM calls on this spreadsheet

even when it says x2 or x3 it could be a random fake post from 1 person

Exactly

Yale might not do R2M but they are known to make it very clear that they want you so if there's been no correspondence, that's definitely a sign - also Stanford and Penn has indeed sent out calls

Yale won't get everyone they want, so don't worry if there is no correspondence from any of these programs

If a place has sent out RTM calls and you didn't get one... would it be unusual for you to still match there? x2 << not impossible, but your chances are much lower

<Not really. The applicants who are getting r2m calls at these locations are getting r2m calls from all the others that do them as well, and everyone can only go to one program.

fake news for sure

guess I'm ranking Penn #1 then ;)

i heard they still use paper charts --> this is completely false << this is completely a joke. it's penn, of course they can afford epic. kind of a silly question imo.

epic

when youre a baller department and have your own newsletter :O https://dermatology.upenn.edu/wp-content/themes/dermatology_main/_library/pdf/Newsletter-Fall-2019.pdf