Mass General Brigham-MA

say what it is coward

prob harvard they salty

i love my home program and people trash it on here all the time, probably to make others rank lower. cant wait to be done with this

UConn?

MUSC, Vanderbilt , UAMS, UAB, NW, Harvard, MCW, henry ford> Geisinger

OHSU

When a program says they have "academic half days", does this just refer to study time or lectures

"academic half days" are study time. "didactics" are lectures

probably nothing

If you go to Harvard over say BU or Tufts, would your training be better / would your life be that different? > I hear harvard has more inpatient maybe that may be different. HA. In all seriousness, no. As an adult, the largest impact on your education is YOU. A program may be better or worse for your priorities, but in all honesty, it likely will not make a measurable difference. If your priority is prestige and academics, Harvard may be better. However, there is no objective answer here. I know people wish there were given how many times this is asked. Put your personal priorities first. There are as many different careers as there are dermatologists.

honestly probably not much beyond geographical boost if you'd like to stay locally as a private derm

layman prestige + MAYBE better training

Better training for esoteric

love this advice

love the person who gave this advice

love you more <3

Loma Linda internal medicine program in CA has in the past

Saint Louis university

mount auburn

BIDMC does for sure I asked apds this exact question

Q

what are the programs

Not really wanting to share but one is T15 but in less desirable city where I have family connections, other one is ~T60 program in more desirable city with friends

does high or low ranking in derm matter to you? QOL so much more important than ranking of derm program.... in my opinon up you have to figure that out for you

it matters but its not top of list> do you want go into academics or private practice? because if the training is the same at both prograams, prestige would only matter if you're applying to be faculty or wanting grants + 1

> OP, I'm in a similar situation! It's tough because my mentors have been pushing me to rank the T10/T15 program in a less desirable city for me (have never lived there before, only know one friend lol) higher than the T30/T40 program in a city where I have family and friends, but I think I'm leaning towards prioritizing the program where I know people and will personally be happier. Residency is tough, and I've heard it can be very isolating if you don't end up clicking with your co-residents (and derm residency classes are so small). I don't feel very strongly about pursuing a career in academics though

if you care about prestige, you are lame af. 95% of us going prviate practice regardless of whatever BS academic reason you are telling yourself now. everyone focuses on name, but you can put a dumbass at harvard derm and they'll still graduate a dumbass. the training will always be what you the individual make of it

derm resident - middle tier in a top tier location is better than top tier in a shit location. Your QoL will be better and you'll still get good training; UNLESS you want to do high-level academia. In that case, you may wanna just tough it out

tysm for your input! that makes me feel better about my decision

prolly not

Each year at least 40-50 people apply to med derm for 1-2 spots per program, and three of the programs being Harvard, Penn, and NW definitely doesn't make it any easier. I'd say more competitive by numbers alone ~45 applicants for 8 total spots)

except most people who are med-derm typically also apply to regular derm spots too

for this reason my PD told me that it is likely less competitive that matching derm alone, but probably not by much

idk about that that's 6ish applicants per spot while derm has 1.6 applicants per spot (at least for USMDs as far as I remember)? meaning med-derm would be more competitive in that regard

you'll drink the koolaid at any of these programs. within derm, penn is the premiere program. harvard's name externally carries weight, but there's a cost to that (working ~10 hours more on average per week). no difference to future career prospects. yale is smallest chill

keep in mind that the advice on here is HEAVILY biased by people who are also ranking these programs, and often, playing games in that regard... imo the best advice is pick place where you'll be happiest whether that's location or culture (if you did an away/interview vibes) or something else

<- lol, I've been told things that deeply conflict advice at left + just look at the rank list < is the rank tally affecting your decisions tho < def no. each program interviewed 30+ people and like 10 have listed the "rank" on the tally? < sorry I meant look at the rank list to see the likely COI at play here

and as big a name as Harvard. >> most non-derm people don't know that Penn is a good program

id argue that while it is lesser known than harvard, the average person would understand that penn is at least "good" lol

also consider COL (a studio in boston proper ~2k)

Also impressed by Penn, Harvard, Yale, Northwestern

also, I wonder how far the Harvard/Yale name can take someone.

I'm more curious about Arkansas> home??

yeah lots of us low/mid tier applicants try to avoid this spreadsheet as it makes us more stressed, the high tier applicants have tons of interviews and their stress is probably more about where they are matching while for some of us, we are stressed about matching at all!

we all are stressed about matching

great school with great residents! I'll be ranking them high!!

there were a couple interactions that had me legitimately laughing like quoting them to my friends afterwards. culture is great (from what I saw) and it seems that USC faculty have a knack of finding a great group of applicants personality-wise. seemed to vibe well with most. Harvard and USC are very good at picking cool people.

my classmate interviewed there and said it was all women applicants

facts

slayyyyy queens

where is a program to ensure I only have male applicants/residents?

Stanford has an unmatched brand name and is, non-negotiably, a top program. Anyone who tries to convince you not to go there likely has ill intentions

agreed. same with UCSF, Penn, NYU, Harvard, etc.

the person was asking Stanford vs ucsf and others commented they'll be ranking Stanford over ucsf. Felt like several people said that

I think patterns are very shady, OP. haha.

lmao

imagine being in the position to get to choose ucsf or stanford COULDNT BE ME must be nice

A lot of mental masturbation and obsession over what the top programs are and comparing them. As a derm resident, I will say to be grateful if you match anywhere and be extra grateful if you match at one of your top choices/place you really liked + 10002

everyone says do a TY

Dont be deluded and choose an intense prelim (something akin to MGH) thinking it will make you a better dermatologist or help you if you want to do academics. Honestly I feel 6 months would be enough for a prelim/TY to get a solid foundation on general medicine.

Currently a big academic prelim program where I'm basically a categorical intern. This year has made me so tired, affected by mental health and physical health. I wish I had done an "easier" prelim or TY.

yeah this is what i'm scared of - i hope you can find some time to recoop

Im currently in a TY program known for being "chill" and I feel more than competent in my medical knowledge and clinical responsibilitues, ive rotated through wards multiple times, done ICU, more consult heavy subspecialty rotations but still get really nice blocks of chill elective time with garunteed weekends. I def feel the burn out when on wards/ICU but the lighter months make it bareable and even enjoyable. If you can do a "chill" TY

food for thought, if you were to hypothetically not match in derm this cycle (hopefully this won't be the case!!) and end up only matching to an intern year, being in a prelim year and not a TY program might set you up better to dual apply the next time around (if you should choose to do so) - so it's kind of a specific hypothetical scenario that doesn't apply to everyone, but definitely something to consider!

your supplemental ROL can be different order and then you can rank them separately at the bottom in case you don't match

People need to stop deleting

no tea just loved my BI interview. And thought those people loved what they were doing. Personally know a few current residents that absolutely love the program

just go somewhere chill bro it's fully not worth it

heard from MA people BI is nicest/chillest, then MGH=BWH or some said MGH>BWH

MGH def most malignant of the 3, and the only one that still does 24 hr shifts

Not sure if that's true. I think BWH does too

BWH does 28s (interviewed there last season)

anybody got tea on BWH, BIDMC or MGH prelim programs?