Hosp of the Univ of PA (Dermatology/3 yr)

TIL that the Penn hype is real! Can you believe it? < i can, it seems like it is top for a reason. it's not just the name. still sad tho < this whole spreadsheet has Stockholm syndrome lmao

How did Penn go today?

can we have an honest, respectful conversation about this "derm is derm" that comes up here every once in a while. I think derm is the only specialty where people applying to penn are also applying to larkin (no shade to larkin) just mean they are different and i'm curious why this is. Is the idea that derm is so great, it doesn't matter where you go? It is just crazy to me that 260 step students will gun for top/mid tier medicine, rads, fm, psych literally anything else but for derm, it becomes "derm is derm" i can go anywhere for derm // I mean I doubt Penn Derm applicants are applying to Larkin which mainly takes DO applicants, but that's probably a small detail in your overall point. The truth is that Derm is a seller's market, and it has been for a while (Derm 10-15 years ago heavily emphasized being the top of the medical school class, possibly AOA, stellar Step 1 scores, etc. to even be considered/still in the running to be able to match into Derm because it was just that competitive). There are fewer derm residency spots vs. the number of people applying. That's what makes it competitive. It's as simple as that. Applicants don't get to call the shots as much, and so there is a lowering of expectations and many are naturally thankful to even match into Derm (that's where the "Derm is derm" aphorism comes from). If you're not happy, programs can find someone easily (someone who didn't match and in their intern year, someone who did a RY after internship and applied again, etc. to take your residency spot in Derm). Needless to say that contributes a lot to the haughtiness in the specialty with Derm attendings (who know their specialty is competitive) although that is changing somewhat with younger Dermatology graduate attendings entering academia and are more understanding of how the process is now.

* P E N N * tomorrow 🤭 < does anyone have the link to the meet and greet tonight? < Does Penn rank immediately after interview? < no

did someone say that the consult service at penn is changing? if so, how is it changing?

Which programs are known to treat their residents as work horses in terms of call, poor benefits, etc.? << Many of the top tier academic Derm programs in terms of hours, which isn't surprising. You have 3 years to try to learn as much Dermatology as you can, and you learn best with high volume and repeated exposure as a resident until you're finally out on your own as a full-fledged attending. There's a reason places like Harvard, NYU, UCSF, Penn, UTSW, U Miami, etc. have really well-trained residents which sets them up well for fellowship programs, if they decide to do one. < there are alot of solid mid tier programs that do the same without the malignancy. we need to stop making excuses for these top places

Everytime I am feeling down about this process, I look up jobs posted recently and it gives me the boost to keep going lol< lmfao are you me? I do that too haha < looool me too! just saw a gig in iowa for 750k, i can definitely do this stress for that kinda $ for my efforts lol < the caveat is that that kind of number is usually from less desired locations. The median number for newly graduated attending in the private practice is around 300-400k, in the academic hospital mid 200k to early 300k (definitely MGH/PENN is exceptional) < fair but i mean, less desirable is relative. The entire midwest is probably considered less desirable by most people but places like st louis are fine for me. why anyone will live in NY and Cali for like 30-40% less pay in addition to the insane cost of living is beyond me < let them chase that prestige & sardine box lifestyle. More for the rest of us.<midwest is best coast

Any thoughts on Harvard v Penn v NYU v Yale? And then UCSF v Stanford, and how to weigh these two west coast programs vs Northeast? Anything other than geographic preference that one should think about?< It comes down to autonomy and ancillary support. Some of these programs give more than others. Some lack things the other have. No program is 100% complete, it just needs to check the most boxes on your list.

what programs are B10? < No one knows. Doximity isn't correct. Just need to get a job. Rank doesn't matter <probably the HCAs < does rank only not matter for derm? < no matter how much you discredit Doximity, truth is there are no other rank lists beside it for dermatology. So programs do boast about these rankings. Like it or not.< there is no way that you can use one index like doximity to define B10. < but we use it to define top 10? and lol yes, penn's website mentions that they are #1 on doximity lol

For those who have Penn Med-Derm interviews - how do we know if we are also being considered for Derm alone? I only found out I was interviewing for Med-Derm after confirming my II so I have no idea lol << Did you apply for Derm and the Med-Derm program at their institution (so 2 separate ERAS/NRMP numbers)?

so.... if i haven't gotten a rejection from penn, does that mean they're getting ready to send me my interview invite XD desperation x100

Can anyone who IV'd at Penn State provide overall impression of the interview? Going through family crisis and finding it hard to focus on interview prep. Just want to know what to expect < sorry for the family crisis - that's so difficult at any time, but can't imagine going through it right now.

Does Penn interview for specific tracks on given dates? If not, would definitely like to switch my date.

Anyone got confirmation from Penn for the time slot on interview day?

How many internals did Harvard/Penn/UCSF invite to interview? < lol < penn interviews all internals, so ~10. I think UCSF also interviews all internals