Hosp of the Univ of PA (Dermatology/3 yr)

people from Vanderbilt might assume they have a better chance bc their school is "better" or "higher in rankings" so may not try as hard on rotations or with creating connections. Personal opinion

Harvard matched 14, Hopkins 10 and Penn 10 -- I'm kinda seeing a pattern there lol

vanderbilt only had 1 person apply derm this year

14 is crazy

last year penn had almost 10 unmatched tho

UIC matched 7 which is impressive for mid tier

Harvard didn't match 14, matched 11.

vanderbilt only had 1 person apply derm this year << I imagine one of the reasons Colorado's med students had an easier time getting into Derm as because of the dermatoepidemiology research of Dr. Dellavalle where he cranks out publications like crazy.

The best schools match the best, maybe its school name maybe its cuz those ppl are cracked. I've heard my PD say that the top programs care more about med school rank

he left CO a few years ago so idk how many current applicants even worked with him

Harvard matched 11, some students went unmatched

vanderbilt only had 1 person apply derm this year << I imagine one of the reasons Colorado's med students had an easier time getting into Derm is because of the dermatoepidemiology research of Dr. Dellavalle since he cranks out publications like crazy.

there was that one Harvard student on here who had 0 interviews because Harvard doesn't even interview all their internal applicants

that student had 0 IIs for a reason though

what was the reason???

I'd say biggest difference is location/city vibes. also harvard covers hospitals in different locations vs some others are a bit more centralized, but boston maybe has better public transport than the others

when its derm, matching is all that matters

this

people talk badly about stanford on here but it's the best resident salary in the country (even accounting for COL) with a more balanced QOL than other T5 programs (Harvard, UCSF) idk

people talk badly about stanford on here but it's the best resident salary in the country (even accounting for COL) with a more balanced QOL than other T5 programs (Harvard, UCSF) idk >compare to penn?

people say the training at penn is better and i can't speak to that (certainly more big names at penn, more research output) but im not saying what program is best just that some great programs get hated on and its not super clear why to me

people say the training at penn is better (certainly more big names at penn, more research output) but even if true idk why people go after stanford

the less call/inpatient time the better

Stanford is trash

case in point :)

someone from penn state apparently

also one of their fellows

I don't think this is true. The PD at Penn is VERY clear they DO NOT do post II communication. he feels very strongly about it

same with UCSF's PD..> the whole thing strikes me as BS especially with the earlier link to an article with a paid mentoring service

I know people who got rtm calls from penn pd

sure buddy

I heard people who got Pen was for tracks and not by PD

100% serious that I know schools that do post-ii communications/rtm calls when they tell everyone that they are hellbent on no post-ii communication. Just beacuse a PD says it does not mean they won't do it experiencing this gave me trust issues tbh lol

PD's will do anything to get the best of the best, RTM calls happen because programs are selfish

well at least i know i'm not the best of the best yeee

I matched at one of the programs listed above, no RTM call. This rtm thing was absolute bs

I got 4 RTM calls. One is my top choice so we'll see if they're actually telling the truth. It might be a small group of people receiving the majority of them. I went to a T5 med school and did a RY at a neighboring research power house that was very productive. Most people march without them do don't worry!

ok this is my legit prediction i have no info to back this up. But what if the programs doing the RTM calls are the UPenn, Stanford, UCSF-type programs that don't want to lose out on applicants because they picked HMS. Akin to med school applications where programs knew based on historical data it would be hard to convince applicants to drop an HMS acceptance?

ucsf explicitly said they dont do these calls btw

ucsf student here, they do it undercover several classmates of mine got some

lmfao get real

yeah sure jan..

anyone know if harvard does RTM call

Ik the pd personally, they call 2-3 ppl (source resident)

omg i'm going to jump off of the golden gate bridge

i mean i guess that just means you're at the top of their list? which doesn't mean you won't match there

lol why would a harvard resident be on this gooner sheet

dude its hms, ofc they want you to beg for it with a LOI...

this is bullshit yall are lame

when does harvard usually do the RTM calls?

ik all the Penn track people did, not sure about the "normal" spots

people who got the calls, did you end up ranking Penn number one?

wait all the track people got calls?

you dont know all the track (or non-track) ppl lmao? but good info to have regardless

I don't think this is true. The PD at Penn is VERY clear they DO NOT do post II communication. he feels very strongly about it

no idea - so dumb

I didnt realize - I don't think this is true very desperate to know bc i ranked penn derm 1 and did not get a call. did general derm people who got a call rank it 1?

I don't think it's bonkers - definitely a niche track but they're trying to build leaders in cutaneous oncology research> it's TOO niche, there'll be a handful of such programs across the country that can support a career in something so niche

it's basically a built in research year. intended for people who wanna do the super specific academic jobs

It is the ultimate fame and shame since it shows how people truly (or reportedly) ranked, despite the one-off stories peoplen share in the fame and shame tab>> There is literally no guarantee people are suddenly authenthic. People applying next year can anonymously make shit up so people rank lower their choice

my point remains. Compilation of data is better than anecdotes. Stay mad.

Its purely there to fulfill curiousity but where you rank a program doesn't really matter if the program doesn't rank you highly

Anyone know any cons for Penn?

just wanna say ur amazing for making that sheet thank you

of course! I love spreadsheets and glad it helps :)

sinai

penn has a ton of research fellows that do not match at penn

they do not. I also don't think the Friday afternoon thing is every week?

did we also get residents' contact info?

i dont have any written down :(

didactics i remember are Tuesday and Thursday half days?

i forget but on their website (curriculum page) you can see the weeks per site including inpatient

https://pathology.med.upenn.edu/education/residency/logistics/salary-benefits; https://medicine.yale.edu/surgery/education/residencies/otolaryngology/salary/

per month?

brownie points per second

2 much

I'm also trying to find this info anybody know :')

its on the website

definitely more than 3 but less than 5

Penn State, Northwestern, Yale (kind of), Georgetown, Ohio State, Brown, Cleveland Clinic, UPMC, UTHSC (tennessee), Zucker/Northwell, Emory, Mizzou, WVU, Dartmouth

wait I didn't know about Northwestern, are we sure?

Exact wording: "We are very excited to welcome you to the Northwestern University combined Medicine-Dermatology interviews, which also serves as interviews for either the categorical Medicine and/or advanced Dermatology tracks, if you have applied to either of those Northwestern programs. "

northwestern med derm counts for prelim.

Penn state does??

yes Penn state does, presented to us on interview day

what about northwestern regular Derm/peds derm> NW med derm counts for advanced derm NW position + med derm position. NOT prelim. You can ask to be considered for categorical IM, but that was not guaranteed by just applying.