Hosp of the Univ of PA (Dermatology/3 yr)

I don't think this is true. The PD at Penn is VERY clear they DO NOT do post II communication. he feels very strongly about it

same with UCSF's PD..> the whole thing strikes me as BS especially with the earlier link to an article with a paid mentoring service

I know people who got rtm calls from penn pd

sure buddy

I heard people who got Pen was for tracks and not by PD

100% serious that I know schools that do post-ii communications/rtm calls when they tell everyone that they are hellbent on no post-ii communication. Just beacuse a PD says it does not mean they won't do it experiencing this gave me trust issues tbh lol

PD's will do anything to get the best of the best, RTM calls happen because programs are selfish

well at least i know i'm not the best of the best yeee

I matched at one of the programs listed above, no RTM call. This rtm thing was absolute bs

I got 4 RTM calls. One is my top choice so we'll see if they're actually telling the truth. It might be a small group of people receiving the majority of them. I went to a T5 med school and did a RY at a neighboring research power house that was very productive. Most people march without them do don't worry!

ok this is my legit prediction i have no info to back this up. But what if the programs doing the RTM calls are the UPenn, Stanford, UCSF-type programs that don't want to lose out on applicants because they picked HMS. Akin to med school applications where programs knew based on historical data it would be hard to convince applicants to drop an HMS acceptance?

ucsf explicitly said they dont do these calls btw

ucsf student here, they do it undercover several classmates of mine got some

lmfao get real

yeah sure jan..

anyone know if harvard does RTM call

Ik the pd personally, they call 2-3 ppl (source resident)

omg i'm going to jump off of the golden gate bridge

i mean i guess that just means you're at the top of their list? which doesn't mean you won't match there

lol why would a harvard resident be on this gooner sheet

dude its hms, ofc they want you to beg for it with a LOI...

this is bullshit yall are lame

when does harvard usually do the RTM calls?

ik all the Penn track people did, not sure about the "normal" spots

people who got the calls, did you end up ranking Penn number one?

wait all the track people got calls?

you dont know all the track (or non-track) ppl lmao? but good info to have regardless

I don't think this is true. The PD at Penn is VERY clear they DO NOT do post II communication. he feels very strongly about it

no idea - so dumb

I didnt realize - I don't think this is true very desperate to know bc i ranked penn derm 1 and did not get a call. did general derm people who got a call rank it 1?

I don't think it's bonkers - definitely a niche track but they're trying to build leaders in cutaneous oncology research> it's TOO niche, there'll be a handful of such programs across the country that can support a career in something so niche

it's basically a built in research year. intended for people who wanna do the super specific academic jobs

It is the ultimate fame and shame since it shows how people truly (or reportedly) ranked, despite the one-off stories peoplen share in the fame and shame tab>> There is literally no guarantee people are suddenly authenthic. People applying next year can anonymously make shit up so people rank lower their choice

my point remains. Compilation of data is better than anecdotes. Stay mad.

Its purely there to fulfill curiousity but where you rank a program doesn't really matter if the program doesn't rank you highly

Anyone know any cons for Penn?

just wanna say ur amazing for making that sheet thank you

of course! I love spreadsheets and glad it helps :)

sinai

penn has a ton of research fellows that do not match at penn

they do not. I also don't think the Friday afternoon thing is every week?

did we also get residents' contact info?

i dont have any written down :(

didactics i remember are Tuesday and Thursday half days?

i forget but on their website (curriculum page) you can see the weeks per site including inpatient

https://pathology.med.upenn.edu/education/residency/logistics/salary-benefits; https://medicine.yale.edu/surgery/education/residencies/otolaryngology/salary/

per month?

brownie points per second

2 much

I'm also trying to find this info anybody know :')

its on the website

definitely more than 3 but less than 5

Penn State, Northwestern, Yale (kind of), Georgetown, Ohio State, Brown, Cleveland Clinic, UPMC, UTHSC (tennessee), Zucker/Northwell, Emory, Mizzou, WVU, Dartmouth

wait I didn't know about Northwestern, are we sure?

Exact wording: "We are very excited to welcome you to the Northwestern University combined Medicine-Dermatology interviews, which also serves as interviews for either the categorical Medicine and/or advanced Dermatology tracks, if you have applied to either of those Northwestern programs. "

northwestern med derm counts for prelim.

Penn state does??

yes Penn state does, presented to us on interview day

what about northwestern regular Derm/peds derm> NW med derm counts for advanced derm NW position + med derm position. NOT prelim. You can ask to be considered for categorical IM, but that was not guaranteed by just applying.

Also someone deleted the Penn data on the rank tally sheet. People are so insecure and pathetic

prolly not

Each year at least 40-50 people apply to med derm for 1-2 spots per program, and three of the programs being Harvard, Penn, and NW definitely doesn't make it any easier. I'd say more competitive by numbers alone ~45 applicants for 8 total spots)

except most people who are med-derm typically also apply to regular derm spots too

for this reason my PD told me that it is likely less competitive that matching derm alone, but probably not by much

idk about that that's 6ish applicants per spot while derm has 1.6 applicants per spot (at least for USMDs as far as I remember)? meaning med-derm would be more competitive in that regard

you'll drink the koolaid at any of these programs. within derm, penn is the premiere program. harvard's name externally carries weight, but there's a cost to that (working ~10 hours more on average per week). no difference to future career prospects. yale is smallest chill

keep in mind that the advice on here is HEAVILY biased by people who are also ranking these programs, and often, playing games in that regard... imo the best advice is pick place where you'll be happiest whether that's location or culture (if you did an away/interview vibes) or something else

<- lol, I've been told things that deeply conflict advice at left + just look at the rank list < is the rank tally affecting your decisions tho < def no. each program interviewed 30+ people and like 10 have listed the "rank" on the tally? < sorry I meant look at the rank list to see the likely COI at play here

and as big a name as Harvard. >> most non-derm people don't know that Penn is a good program

id argue that while it is lesser known than harvard, the average person would understand that penn is at least "good" lol

also consider COL (a studio in boston proper ~2k)

It's my home?? You narrow minded af

everyone's like ohhh rank based on your priorities (family for some!)/where you would genuinely like best and then goes off like this, so odd. consider that there may be other perspectives? maybe? like good lord! what, are you all ranking T25s on your high horse and shitting on other peoples' choices?

5 out 6!

probably the same person as whoever claimed patients won't view penn as good training lmfao

lol nope 6 out of 6