Hosp of the Univ of PA (Dermatology/3 yr)

Also someone deleted the Penn data on the rank tally sheet. People are so insecure and pathetic

prolly not

Each year at least 40-50 people apply to med derm for 1-2 spots per program, and three of the programs being Harvard, Penn, and NW definitely doesn't make it any easier. I'd say more competitive by numbers alone ~45 applicants for 8 total spots)

except most people who are med-derm typically also apply to regular derm spots too

for this reason my PD told me that it is likely less competitive that matching derm alone, but probably not by much

idk about that that's 6ish applicants per spot while derm has 1.6 applicants per spot (at least for USMDs as far as I remember)? meaning med-derm would be more competitive in that regard

you'll drink the koolaid at any of these programs. within derm, penn is the premiere program. harvard's name externally carries weight, but there's a cost to that (working ~10 hours more on average per week). no difference to future career prospects. yale is smallest chill

keep in mind that the advice on here is HEAVILY biased by people who are also ranking these programs, and often, playing games in that regard... imo the best advice is pick place where you'll be happiest whether that's location or culture (if you did an away/interview vibes) or something else

<- lol, I've been told things that deeply conflict advice at left + just look at the rank list < is the rank tally affecting your decisions tho < def no. each program interviewed 30+ people and like 10 have listed the "rank" on the tally? < sorry I meant look at the rank list to see the likely COI at play here

and as big a name as Harvard. >> most non-derm people don't know that Penn is a good program

id argue that while it is lesser known than harvard, the average person would understand that penn is at least "good" lol

also consider COL (a studio in boston proper ~2k)

It's my home?? You narrow minded af

everyone's like ohhh rank based on your priorities (family for some!)/where you would genuinely like best and then goes off like this, so odd. consider that there may be other perspectives? maybe? like good lord! what, are you all ranking T25s on your high horse and shitting on other peoples' choices?

5 out 6!

probably the same person as whoever claimed patients won't view penn as good training lmfao

lol nope 6 out of 6

Whered u interview is the real question for this

UCSF has 30k!

Penn, Columbia >Mayo has tons of support, UCSD also has robust fertility benefits (I think 20-30k)

are fertility benefits mainly egg freezing or do they are include IVF?

i think both

a handful of programs ive interviewed at have had this. so nice to see!

Is there a way to see the fertility specific coverage in a plan or did the programs specifically highlight it as a benefit? would love to know which programs have coverage!

Also impressed by Penn, Harvard, Yale, Northwestern

also, I wonder how far the Harvard/Yale name can take someone.

dm him and ask

yes, he said he did

I think he said yes but I could be wrong

I know a Derm influencer who scored >270 on step 2 she is a nice person >I know who you're talking about with the 232 step and don't be rude. like they are going out of their way to help you with advice and give back and instead of appreciating the fact that they're open about their score, you're trashtalking them? literally you stfu

imagine hating from outside the club….you can't even get in < love it young breezy> wtf which derm resident matched with a 232?!?!

nabeel

Penn State residency cares if you are a nice, hardworking person. another example of how board scores arent EVERYTHING

did he rotate there

idk

I'm having a hard time believing this is true. and if he got a 232 that would invalidate a lot of the advice he gives because clearly something else is going on to have caused him to match.

he has said he had a low step in his advice, he triple applied derm, peds, med peds bc of it

he also posted on reddit that he got into the 230s

im sitting on derm 5 IVs with 230s step 2 and haven't been asked once about it at any interview 😅 obviously dual applied, but step score isn't everything

What's with the rave about influencers? I went into medicine and derm bc I'm passionate about patient care, not because I want attention lol

> why do you all care so much? like live your life and let them live theirs

jelly bc theyre making bank (cringe or not money dont lie)>> I can also suck cock on OnlyFans and make more money. Some of us value self respect over $$$

comparing posting on tiktok to OF is SICK. SEEK HELP!

tell that to the PGY1s

divingdermdoc lol

Nabeel is actually a good one. He's helped a lot of students and shares great content IMO

i noticed that the three top influencers that i see on ig are going to penn state

he also has a low step

you are overrotated on step scores - they're not generally relevant to how good of a derm you become

sure, but only after you match. before you match, they're at least somewhat meaningful

if you're going to be online people will have opinions sooo

it's genuinely pathetic to spend any amount of mental effort/energy hating on others for no reason soooo

personally not a big fan of such strict 'tracts' applicants have to pigeonhole themselves into, Miami has some too

i think each track is ranked separately

utsw was nice :)

so if you have derm1+ TY1, followed by derm1 + TY2, etc thats two ranks? and depedning on all the iterations its easy to get past 20 ranks?

Also confused - do you only partial match a TY/Prelim if thats all you put? For example, if my list is: derm1+TY1, derm1+TY2, is it still possible to ONLY match partially to the prelim or do i explicitly have to rank TY1/TY2 independently without derm? I am also a dual app so how would I fall down to my second specialty at that rate?

you guys are awesome for answering thank you so much!!!

oh goodness i have no idea what's going on

no. Each derm rank counts as its own mini "rank list". Let's say Penn is your number one derm program. You would rank Penn + TY 1, Penn + Ty2, and Penn + TY 3, as your "number one". It's like having your ranks as 1.1, 1.2, 1.3. I hope this makes sense? It's hard to put it into words

yes!! that makes sense thank you!

sure thing! your prelim/TY rank list can also change with every program. You manually create a new prelim/TY list from scratch with every derm rank, so you can change it as you see fit (for example, if you match on the west coast for derm, you can try to match at a west coast prelim. and, if you were to match at Penn, you can try to maximize your chances of getting a prelim in Philly, etc)

oh my god i'm gonna have to make an anki card out of this

if you want the option of still matching at a pgy 1 ONLY in the event that you don't match derm, you have to rank the prelims/TYs. You won't automatically match at one without ranking it. You can rank them in any order

Thanks to those of you who explained this..you did a better job than my school

Seconding this!

wait what happened bc I thought the vibes were fine?

Not OP but they literally were challenging my interests

lol interesting also happened to me a couple weeks back

I'm so glad people share on here bc I also thought it was rough

I thought it was okay? Different vibes in different rooms but overall I thought it was fair

most were fair except 1 room

i had 1 room that challenged something i said, but otherwise normal too. wondering if the same room?

> are there any programs that have horrible training or not the greatest training? askig for both academic and community programs

guys these memes are funny keep them coming

UConn> guys what is wrong with uconn i cant find the tea

I actually think UConn has an amazing program as someone who rotated there. They're catching a lot of heat this year but their attendings and education are top notch

their overall education is fine i think its just the way the program has protrayed itself this year (likely to aways on the sheet) has been less than fortunate.

If i had a nickel for every time the words UConn or Penn Community engagement track popped up on this page i wouldn't even need derm salary anymore

same 6 rooms!

Stanford has an unmatched brand name and is, non-negotiably, a top program. Anyone who tries to convince you not to go there likely has ill intentions

agreed. same with UCSF, Penn, NYU, Harvard, etc.

the person was asking Stanford vs ucsf and others commented they'll be ranking Stanford over ucsf. Felt like several people said that

I think patterns are very shady, OP. haha.

lmao

imagine being in the position to get to choose ucsf or stanford COULDNT BE ME must be nice

A lot of mental masturbation and obsession over what the top programs are and comparing them. As a derm resident, I will say to be grateful if you match anywhere and be extra grateful if you match at one of your top choices/place you really liked + 10002

reasoning makes sense. You don't know what they'll change.

I think it's a yellow flag for a program for the same reason, especially if the interim chair is from a different department too...

>I'm looking at you Duke.

penn also getting a new chair

a really amazing one. I wouldn't make your decision based on that

penn chair is absolutely a positive

program specific, but generally yes. unclear why penn interviewed so many this year, though, so likely some exceptions to this rule

how many did penn interview

70 allegedly? (per their intro spiel) but could be fake news

their website says 48-60, but still a lot

yale also interviews around 60 for 6 positions, but doubt these programs fall far on the list..

stony brook with 50-70 for 3 is crazy too!

seems fairly standard for programs to interview 10 candidates for each residency spot