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elite prestige nepotism is real, looking at stanford/harvard/yale etc makes me sad i never had a chance to begin with :'( < as someone who knows some of those people, trust me that you don't want to work with them LOL < the attendings at those programs or the residents at those programs are people we wouldn't want to work with?! this is the drama I live for! < Are people really shocked that top tier Derm programs are going to take people from top tier medical schools? (outside of those who are URM and those who took a year off and did a research year somewhere else at a top notch place)? Or did people really just believe Ilana Rosman totally on "holistic review"? < never trusted a word out of that gal's mouth tbh < Your intuition was good there.

Harvard matched well as always it looks like. < LOL

Confession time. I ranked Harvard near the bottom of my list because it's not possible to support a family on their salary in Boston. This is a HUGE problem. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to afford a 2bed apartment as a DOCTOR in these cities. Harvard would have been a dream, but it just didn't make sense for us < I ranked all my Boston programs low for the exact same reason and I don't even have a family to support. Such a joke that they don't provide a stipend, other places with high COL (NYC, LA, SF) at least give you a housing stipend or subsidized housing. < Harvard gives 10k/year stipend for those who qualify < All residents should qualify, Harvard/MGH have enough money.

Does derm residency pedigree or med school pedigree matter for patients? Including cosmetics patients and med derm patients < Depends on where you practice. < also matters less if you don't have prestigious credentials than if you do. I had patients who bragged about their docor who went to Harvard, but if you didn't got a really prestigious place, it doesn't really hurt you as much as you might have a few extra patients who really value prestigue if you do go somewhere like that. Then you have to determine if those are the kinds of patients you want.

Can you be a pure clinical professor of Derm within a top academic program (e.g., Harvard, UCSF, Stanford, etc.)? I am referring to a position with minimal research responsibilities. If so, how difficult are these positions to acquire after residency if one comes from a mid-tier residency program? Assume I don't care about money and am willing to make well-below market salary (e.g., 100k). I know that academics is less attractive (because of $$$) but I would imagine that jobs at top tier programs are still hard to get. < pretty easy, not many people are willing to take that big of a salary cut

Tufts or HF? In terms of prestige < In terms of perceived prestige by name only, I'd go with Tufts. Having Harvard and BU Derm close by in Boston helps if you're considering fellowship as they feed off each other in terms of taking people they know.

Did anyone get RTM (direct or via mentor) from Harvard, UCSF, Penn, NYU or Stanford (officially or unofficially)? Don't need to say which one but just any of them at all? < got it from 3 of them. <Lol I already know 3 that explicity said they won't do RTM < i would say they were unofficial, individuals can be acting outside of the policy of the department as a whole

Did harvard interview people separately for the combined medicine track (1261785C0)? Versus the interviews for the 3 year general derm track < Yes that's the med-derm track, it was a separate day

Once we make it out on the other side, we need to make this process better for posterity. Culture of elitism is causing so much anxiety and $$$. I think we can all agree that med school/undergrad "pedigree" is probably one of the worst variables to consider for residency app. We should judge people on their own merit (holistically). It makes me sad to see the lack of "training" diversity in academic programs; when most of the residents & faculty trained at the same "elite" institutions: Ivy League, Stanford, Hopkins, MIT etc. Programs say they care about DEI but the only 1 or 2 URMs they have trained at Harvard, Princeton, Stanford etc. This is why people feel the need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars at an elite private institution, so they an achieve their career goals or take on an unpaid RY to crank out papers for a big shot at an elite institution. This toxic culture of "elitism" has cost each of us so much $$ and family time; it has given us impostor syndrome, and serious FUCKING anxiety. We have to be better.

any calls from Penn? < co-ask, from harvard, ucsf, stanford, nyu, nw, emory,utsw etc ? lolll < yes for two of those but they contacted my mentor not me lol<also got 1 of these but contacted mentor not me < Harvard literally sent out an email last week saying they aren't doing RTM calls. < i mean, not doing rtm is means not contacting you as a student. they (programs) who say not rtm may still contact your mentors to vet you as someone else whose mentor was contacted from a no rtm program < that's not what OP was asking about

No RTM calls from Harvard

What is wrong with some people who just repeatedly mess up with harvard votes? I can not believe some of us can be so lunatic < do you think someone would do that? just go on the internet and lie? < what makes you think it's just harvard votes? < because it is constantly added up to 20+ by one click, anyone can tell that

Why do people even care about the rank tally? It's clear people are fucking with it so the numbers there might as well be random. I don't know why any sane person would believe anything on it, it would honestly be better if it didn't exist. See Harvard's #1 rank edit history: 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 6 -> 8 -> 12 -> 8 -> 9 -> 10 -> 5 -> 10 -> 46 -> 10 -> 17

was talking to a mentor about the whole harbor ucla debacle "you applied there??? wow people really are applying booooarrrdddlllyyyy huh?" 🥲 < lmao they are so out of touch < Was your mentor surprised that you applied to Harbor-UCLA's derm program? < lol yes < LOL! I mean it's Derm. I understand not applying to places like Harvard Derm or NYU Derm if you're scrimping or being judicious on ERAS fees, but Harbor-UCLA you apply to, as you want to apply as broadly as you can. < that is how i saw it too but she thought that was a bit too broad LOL < Great exposure and lots of autonomy < Isn't that what all Derm programs say to sell their program? < But it's actually true. LA county is the most diverse in the country. Harbor-UCLA is where people who are underserved and underinsured go for care, especially if they are in the South Bay/ Long Beach area or west of the 405. Lots of SOC. Tons of excisions and biopsies. < Their graduates seem to for the most part go into private practice w/o subspecializing further: https://www.harbor-ucla.org/dermatology/recent-alumni-list/ < A rationale is that after you had an extensive training during residency, you do not need to pursue fellowship < You do if you want to do Mohs or Dermpath < that's complete bullshit. if the program is really that great you don't need a fellowship

List of programs where residents are overworked? < NYU < Miami <UChicago < Northwestern U < UTSW < Harvard << is utsw still that bad? <UT Houston < is UChicago still bad? Heard it changed after most of the faculty changed < is miami as bad as people say < Residency explorer from 2020 said 60 hr/ week for UChicago