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im an m3 lurker on here and been seeing comments from people who were disappointed they didnt get an interview from harvard or penn whent they thought they had a good shot. do you guys have any post-application clarity or thoughts about why you may not have? i understand a lot of this is random and stochastic but would really appreciate anyone has any advice for a future applicant. // Anyone who automatically expects a derm interview at top tier derm programs like Harvard or Penn due to having high board scores, high class rank w/Honors on every required rotation, and a few publications is probably not operating much in realistic expectations to begin with.

The CEO of harvard just called me and said, we loved your application and we want you to not only join our class this year, but I would like to offer you the job of program directer. I am not ashamed to admit, that I accpeted theyre offer right here on the spot. I am literally shaking right now < that's a coincidence cause the Harvard board of trustees just called me and made me president and told me my first task is to find a new derm PD, also shaking <lmaooo

How do other programs like Harvard/NYU justify their COL and lack of resident financial support when Stanford is literally throwing cash at you < DREAM Program < harvard is prob the worst program in terms of salary/COL ratio < Simple: People come to Harvard and NYU for the name. < by cosigning your rent lease with you and because rent is only that high close to the hospital and NYU definitely has support because union

now that their days are all over: what did people think of harvard? tbh i went in expecting it to be hard but i thought everyone was really friendly, and they definitely know how to sell the program well

What did people think about their Harvard interview day (not specific questions)? What were your impressions?< wasn't my favorite tbh < why

are the harvard residents actually friends? < no< the truth is most derm residents are NOT really close friends but they are close colleagues. I would not use it as my differenitating factor to rank my programs < that is honestly sad to hear, i want happy hour buddies x2. < Colleagues can be happy hour buddies < got to ucsf. they are genuinely friends. the first years that gave the program info talk were SO friendly and obviously friends. < lol jokes if you think i got an ii there lmaoooo happy for you tho < is that really true. I feel like many programs ive interviewed at they seem very friendly but then others that dont seem to stand out in a bad way

I keep reading on here "rank based off where you will be happy" and while yes there is merit to that, that should not be the only factor. I got accepted to medical schools close to my support system but turned those down for a more prestigous med school far away where I knew I would be less happy. 4 years later I am so thankful to have done that and not only did i open up doors I couldn't at the other schools, I have grown so much as a person and this would not have happened had I gone to the schools I would have been happier at< it depends the inidvidual definition of happiness. Some people value prestige while other value family. Residency might be different from medical school and it matters less in terms of job market. < okay but someone choosing to rank a top program isn't necesarily doing it for the "prestige". They could be doing it because they want to learn from renowned faculty, because they want to open up more doors in the future, because they want to grow more as a person etc. I find it hard to believe people are ranking Harvard or NYU #1 just because they want the "prestige" of saying they trained there< I did not intend to dichotomize using prestige as just one factor. People also care about things like you decide to pursue. There is NO universal rule < Agreed, I am just playing devil's advocate btw. I am not seeing too many people sharing my perspective on here openly.< thx for sharing your voice! Everyone's voice needs to be heard < how does OP know they wouldn't have "grown as much as a person" at any other school, considering their point of reference is only one school? < I'm OP because the city my school is in has taught me so much vs the other schools are close to home. I wouldn't have had this added perspective of my new city < but you can't actually be 100% sure about this. you have only had the one experience < This is not true. I experienced my home city for 25 years and I know for a fact I could not have had the experiecnes that my much, much bigger city afforded me in med school. It wasn't just my institutition, it was the city it was in

this sheet: fuck d**********. fuck rosenbach, chen, rosman, etc etc fuck them me: umm i am actually looking forward to being the colleagues with them 🙃 < don't be such a pick me << You know that first line is joking when even Steven Chen is included. That guy is like a Derm teddy bear. < too much bow tie< he also publicizes information about his residents on twitter, like how one of them did not take feedback well. Very poor class for an APD at Harvard.

Can we get a T10 tab going? The T10 interviews are picking up now. < yassss < we are not having a separate sheet for T10s.< Ok. Don't get salty and get HTN with all the incoming NYU, Stanford, UCSF, Penn, Harvard etc discussions < there have already been discussions about Harvard and Penn and no one got salty, stop projecting< trying to keep the main chat more inclusive; I imagine it can't be fun for people who didn't get II from their dream programs to be reading about the privileged few who collected them like Thanos collected the infinity stones <well such is life and we need to stop glorifying these programs anyway. a derm program is a derm program.

did harvard say anything about no thank yous vs would welcome thank yous vs nothing at all about this? < No thank yous, LOIs, etc.

how did the Harvard interviews go today?

The overwhelming obsession with prestige is fascinating, and the naievte therein even moreso. <RT < I get why undergrads fawn over prestigious schools for the sake of residency match, but fawning of "prestigious" residencies just seems misplaced< you say taht OP but i bet you the kinda guy who would rather still go to that fancy cocktail lounge instead of hanging with the homies at the dive bar < bruh it's 1:00 PM in the afternoon and I'm playing Halo Infinite on my XSX in my pajamas. you tell me where you think I'd 'rather be.'<at harvard derm's wine night that is invite-only for some of their residents apparently < my point exactly. foh with that weird hierarchy shit.< yea idk the story but i can see some of their residents seeing that comment like wtf it was litearlly an accident regina said she didnt even wnat to come and now someone is talking about it on the sheet < not the first time I've heard of that, and their PD gives off serious vibes of hierarchy. Give me so-called "mid-tiers" anyday, and my rank list will reflect that sentiment.

Which programs are known to treat their residents as work horses in terms of call, poor benefits, etc.? << Many of the top tier academic Derm programs in terms of hours, which isn't surprising. You have 3 years to try to learn as much Dermatology as you can, and you learn best with high volume and repeated exposure as a resident until you're finally out on your own as a full-fledged attending. There's a reason places like Harvard, NYU, UCSF, Penn, UTSW, U Miami, etc. have really well-trained residents which sets them up well for fellowship programs, if they decide to do one. < there are alot of solid mid tier programs that do the same without the malignancy. we need to stop making excuses for these top places

Does NYU or Harvard have an instagram page?

Everytime I am feeling down about this process, I look up jobs posted recently and it gives me the boost to keep going lol< lmfao are you me? I do that too haha < looool me too! just saw a gig in iowa for 750k, i can definitely do this stress for that kinda $ for my efforts lol < the caveat is that that kind of number is usually from less desired locations. The median number for newly graduated attending in the private practice is around 300-400k, in the academic hospital mid 200k to early 300k (definitely MGH/PENN is exceptional) < fair but i mean, less desirable is relative. The entire midwest is probably considered less desirable by most people but places like st louis are fine for me. why anyone will live in NY and Cali for like 30-40% less pay in addition to the insane cost of living is beyond me < let them chase that prestige & sardine box lifestyle. More for the rest of us.<midwest is best coast