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where are the most competitive cities for derm? i'd imagine east or west coast, but is it boston or NYC or SF or LA generally? < SF and LA programs generally don't go far down their rank list. I know of a few programs in NYC that do go down a bit on their rank list, NYU not being one of them of course. < That's because NYMC isn't like NYU

is nyu salary for pgy 1 really 70k with no additional housing stipend? < I really hope people could watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDtlD1BH0Yw

any calls from Penn? < co-ask, from harvard, ucsf, stanford, nyu, nw, emory,utsw etc ? lolll < yes for two of those but they contacted my mentor not me lol<also got 1 of these but contacted mentor not me < Harvard literally sent out an email last week saying they aren't doing RTM calls. < i mean, not doing rtm is means not contacting you as a student. they (programs) who say not rtm may still contact your mentors to vet you as someone else whose mentor was contacted from a no rtm program < that's not what OP was asking about

NYU is getting a lot of love in the Rank Tally? High percentage of #1 ranks. What's the special sauce at NYU? < Cosmetic queen, perfect for people interested in<great clinical exposure,powerhouse in derm, get a ton of variety and breadth in patient care. its a top 3 program for a reason

was talking to a mentor about the whole harbor ucla debacle "you applied there??? wow people really are applying booooarrrdddlllyyyy huh?" 🥲 < lmao they are so out of touch < Was your mentor surprised that you applied to Harbor-UCLA's derm program? < lol yes < LOL! I mean it's Derm. I understand not applying to places like Harvard Derm or NYU Derm if you're scrimping or being judicious on ERAS fees, but Harbor-UCLA you apply to, as you want to apply as broadly as you can. < that is how i saw it too but she thought that was a bit too broad LOL < Great exposure and lots of autonomy < Isn't that what all Derm programs say to sell their program? < But it's actually true. LA county is the most diverse in the country. Harbor-UCLA is where people who are underserved and underinsured go for care, especially if they are in the South Bay/ Long Beach area or west of the 405. Lots of SOC. Tons of excisions and biopsies. < Their graduates seem to for the most part go into private practice w/o subspecializing further: https://www.harbor-ucla.org/dermatology/recent-alumni-list/ < A rationale is that after you had an extensive training during residency, you do not need to pursue fellowship < You do if you want to do Mohs or Dermpath < that's complete bullshit. if the program is really that great you don't need a fellowship

List of programs where residents are overworked? < NYU < Miami <UChicago < Northwestern U < UTSW < Harvard << is utsw still that bad? <UT Houston < is UChicago still bad? Heard it changed after most of the faculty changed < is miami as bad as people say < Residency explorer from 2020 said 60 hr/ week for UChicago

Any thoughts on UCSF vs Penn vs Stanford vs NYU? NYU - Residents seem kind of stressed out but they obviously get incredible breadth in their training. UCSF - similar breadth as NYU, not as busy but also maybe more resident support and QoL (especially with financial assistance NYU doesn't get)? Stanford - also seems pretty great in terms of QoL, great subspecialty training, more chill than NYU/UCSF? Penn - low cost of living, seems like residents are happy and supported there? I'm not really sure what are the specifics that make it so amazing like everyone says since their interview day wasn't focused on selling themselves. But I'm kind of torn. Any advice here?

mods can we get a T10 tab so we don't annoy everyone with the incoming harvard vs ucsf vs penn vs nyu rows in the next month < For real, I'm struggling with ranking those 4 and there's like 9 other people in the same situation and I get how it can be annoying discussing "1st world problems" < Same < just make one yourself, why do you need the mods to make it

"what do people think of the doximity rankings? are they useful at all? << Depends what your criteria are for filtering through programs. < at one point I thought they had actual criteria for the rankings, but apparently it's just alumni opinion? Or am I reading that wrong? Seems like a less than objective way to rank < It's all based on opinion. In the past, there have been a few publications that have attempted to rank programs based on NIH funding, faculty, residents, research output, etc (https://cdn.mdedge.com/files/s3fs-public/Document/September-2017/CT094100189_REV.pdf) but this is outdated now. From what I've been told, you've got the big powerhouses (NYU, Penn, UCSF, Harvard, Yale, Stanford), the great but not quite top programs (Emory, Northwestern, Sinai, Wake Forest, Johns Hopkins, Miami, UTSW), a bunch of solid programs that aren't particularly famous for research or anything but will still train you well and prepare you for a career, and then a few bottom tier programs that have been known to have issues (ie flagged by ACGME, residents don't match to fellowships, program closes midway through a year, etc) < is there anything more recent?"

How does Penn compare to NYU in terms of culture, workload, etc?

how do i decide between a highly ranked place vs a place with good vibes i.e nyu vs nebraska < i think it comes down to whether you want to live in nebraska, are interested in being a resident at a new program, or whether you would be in nyc and if you value the "prestige" of being at nyu. the vibes are fantastic at nebraska and i think it is gearing up to be a top program in the next few years...but nyu is nyu. i didn't interview at nyu but i would be ecstatic to train at nebraska despite the location < you really have to know yourself. i know myself, don't care for prestige so its nebraska for me but my best friend on this same trail cares more about that so it is nyu for her. so it really depends on who you are < Nebraska is a vibrant program due to the new and relatively younger faculty they have: Wysong (who is very active in APD), Arthur, Sulewski, Adams, Sutton, etc. I think it really comes down to what you value though and I don't think there is a wrong answer between NYU vs. University of Nebraska.

Does anyone know what the work hours are like for NYU residents?

How do other programs like Harvard/NYU justify their COL and lack of resident financial support when Stanford is literally throwing cash at you < DREAM Program < harvard is prob the worst program in terms of salary/COL ratio < Simple: People come to Harvard and NYU for the name. < by cosigning your rent lease with you and because rent is only that high close to the hospital and NYU definitely has support because union

I just realized NYU is interviewing only like 40 people for 8 spots, based on the meet & greet numbers< why does everyone have a hard on for NYU? < just let us dream < lol but they will match like all of their students first so that explains it

Is it easy, moderate, or hard to match to a T10 derm program (specifically NYU or UCSF) from a T20 med school (specifically Mt. Sinai)? Will the name, faculty, and other elitism-rel. < Name doesn't seem to matter at NYU based on my interview < lol go check the med school distribution of the current residents and you'll see how much it matters < or maybe it's just a natural progression - the most competitive students end up at these schools, and they progress to the most competitive residencies? who knows < isnt this the program the chair told us they took a student from the state school UCSF? you're telling me you dont think there have been compettive students not in those schools that they seem to keep taking? < yea the "competitive students end up at competitive programs" is a cop out, especially considering that a lot of brilliant students often choose state med schools over top places for scholarships/lower tuition < I'm pretty sure that calling UCSF a "state school" was an inside joke. UCSF has a top tier derm program. The Derm people at NYU aren't stupid. < where you there? no it wasn't. may he is just that out of touch < i was there, it definitely wasnt a joke