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I got 4 RTM calls. One is my top choice so we'll see if they're actually telling the truth. It might be a small group of people receiving the majority of them. I went to a T5 med school and did a RY at a neighboring research power house that was very productive. Most people march without them do don't worry!

ok this is my legit prediction i have no info to back this up. But what if the programs doing the RTM calls are the UPenn, Stanford, UCSF-type programs that don't want to lose out on applicants because they picked HMS. Akin to med school applications where programs knew based on historical data it would be hard to convince applicants to drop an HMS acceptance?

ucsf explicitly said they dont do these calls btw

ucsf student here, they do it undercover several classmates of mine got some

lmfao get real

yeah sure jan..

anyone know if harvard does RTM call

Ik the pd personally, they call 2-3 ppl (source resident)

omg i'm going to jump off of the golden gate bridge

i mean i guess that just means you're at the top of their list? which doesn't mean you won't match there

lol why would a harvard resident be on this gooner sheet

dude its hms, ofc they want you to beg for it with a LOI...

this is bullshit yall are lame

when does harvard usually do the RTM calls?

You guys really have no clue how hard it is for a resident to get dismissed. Any resident who was dismissed from a program likely had major issues either in or outside of medicine or both. No program wants to dismiss a resident, even a mediocre or bad one.

Stop vaguely referencing the lawsuit and just tell us the allegations or give the case title so we can actually look it up pls

chat saying: In the civil case captioned Adam Garibay v. Cook County, Steven Aks, and David Othman, the plaintiff’s complaint centers on wrongful conduct by his employer following his reporting of alleged misconduct by another doctor. According to the publicly-available case summary: Wrongful termination and retaliation: Garibay alleges that Cook County (his employer) terminated his employment in retaliation after he reported alleged misconduct by Dr. Krunic. The alleged misconduct he reported included physical abuse of a patient by Dr. Krunic. The complaint asserts that Garibay’s reporting of that alleged abuse and related issues was a protected act, and that defendants retaliated against him instead of addressing the alleged misconduct. >> Holyyyyy shit. what that's crazy

not unless you're cook county or Stanford

"you have no clue how hard it is for a resident to get dismissed" assumes that the program tried to keep the resident as long as possible.

it doesn't…it implies that the resident did something egregious

it seems very odd that this resident had already completed an entire residency and matched derm despite that, presumably requiring strong connections mentors support etc and now himself is suing CC. everything is alleged and maybe he did something horrible but the entire pictures looks bad on CC not the resident, especially when you see what he's suing them for

Stanford did NOT dismiss a resident, they elected to leave. not saying it isn't problematic that someone wanted to leave, but it's not the same thing as getting fired

fame and shame, 2 columns to the right of shame

bless u

so what happened? you have to subscribe to see anything> I put the end of the url "adam-garibay-vs-cook-county-steven-aks-david-othman" into chat and had it plain language summary me... looks like hes claiming retalition for him reporting something... sus on CC

Looked up the cook county PGY3 that got dismissed. Very sad that this can happen. How are people getting dismissed from derm programs? Have heard of many residents now getting dismissed, for example at Mount Sinai recently too

>UH, Stanford too

How do you find this information?

word of mouth. although not sure about each person's specific circumstances.

this post needs to be pinned. there are residents getting fired from programs and its too risky to be around unstable faculty who can ruin your career

multiple residents also left this program!

ugh your life is so hard :((

I hope you do because I think they suck floppy cock

LMAO

someone didn't get II lol

they fire residents, its not a good program, only saved by Stanford name

every place fires residents *shrug*

the resident left by choice, they were not fired

kind of ridiculous to say it isnt a good program but sure protect your rank list lol

Let's just say he was on an important list

what?

How did you find out they were fired?

I heard the resident "left" ..lol

this person had their license revoked. There is no longer a NPI number listed. I doubt they just "left"

its very much program dependent. i can imagine stanford is against them

check with your resident buddy

resident suicide(s) in the past? idk, i cant find much info on it.

Resident has also been terminated in the program before.

what do you have to do to get terminated damn < idk, but there was also an nyu resident who terminated before. it was a whole thing on this spreadsheet a few years ago.

i heard the same with mt sinai and stanford a couple years back

clinical training is stronger at UCSF but Stanford has better QOL and still good training > this spreadsheet loves to frame ucsf as a workhorse and it possibly true based on interview. Stanford is consistently said to be more chill and overall enjoyable

this question has been asked 1 million times how many people are actually getting interviews from both

mbn

no, it's not

LMFAO

just laughed out loud

we just cool with making fun of peoples names now? awesome.

not OP. damn its not that deep

It's because it sounds like Gunner, so it's funny

yeah, I bet this "we just kill" guy's name is Buzz because he's fucking buzz kill >

Stanford has an unmatched brand name and is, non-negotiably, a top program. Anyone who tries to convince you not to go there likely has ill intentions

agreed. same with UCSF, Penn, NYU, Harvard, etc.

the person was asking Stanford vs ucsf and others commented they'll be ranking Stanford over ucsf. Felt like several people said that

I think patterns are very shady, OP. haha.

lmao

imagine being in the position to get to choose ucsf or stanford COULDNT BE ME must be nice

A lot of mental masturbation and obsession over what the top programs are and comparing them. As a derm resident, I will say to be grateful if you match anywhere and be extra grateful if you match at one of your top choices/place you really liked + 10002

is it still considered a 'workhorse' after interview?

residents seemed really stressed about consult months

how about their clinical work? Are they stressing there?

wondering this too does anyone have insight>

how was the interview? Is it behavioral or conversational ?

mix of both but each room has a standard question/theme

agree they all seemed afraid of inpt time lmao

did u feel like they read app / asked questions about it or more generic?

yes but i also feel that all my interviews read my app

was very obvious they read my app asked about specifics and commented on my letters

im still sad ucsf didnt send me an interview :(

inpatient month at the university hospital is very intense with high patient load and only 1 res +/- sub-I. but you learn a lot and have lots of support from attendings

Someone keeps lurking and deleting any comments that might cause someone to rank stanford

rank whatever you want, your career outcome will prob be similar at either place if you match there

ucsf, i'd take any advice on spreadsheet with a very large grain of salt since they're clearly trying to manipulate information

true true, thank you for the headsup

yea i agree ^^ < aaaand someone just deleted that. Please have some integrity. protecting this cell.

overall fair, rly liked it

research questions felt aggressive (not a 2) but overall ok otherwise, didn't go up or down on my list

agree the research questions in the chief room were aggro

where were they in your ranking?

my top 5. despite people throwing shade on here in terms of "prestige" i think most people consider the program to be a great balance of reputation and work/life balance. but they are notably weaker in cosmetics and possibly surgery compared to other "t5s"

thoughts on Stanford vs UCSF?

that's really interesting bc I didn't get much research questions, also not 2

looks like the stanford v ucsf cell was deleted

so sad it seemed like a good post

Yes the Harvard program probably has more inpatient time compared to other programs, but it amounts to 16 weeks (4 months) of inpatient consult time and call across MGH, Brigham, BI. People are just exaggerating the inpatient time, likely to dissuade others from ranking highly/#1

they do not scribe or cover attending inbox! program really tries to minimize admin (also no prior auths). inpatient and call can be tough, but residents seem happy with the balance because many blocks have great hours and alternate with inpatient. I believe it is 12 weeks of call?

By comparison, UCSF has 2 months of inpatient (one in PGY2, one in PGY3)

they have up to 6 months more inpatient time than similarly ranked programs

according to Harvard's recruitment handbook, there is 6 to 8 months of inpatient and 12 weeks of call (not including 2 months at boston children's which is both inpt/outpt)

how does this compare with Penn (since everyone is always putting these two up against each other for #1 rank)?

lol anyone else w/ Harvard interview who literally isn't even a top applicant (no Penn/Stanford/Hopkins/UCSF) it feels so weird

wtf is a Feldman

"a feldman" god derm is so hilariously gay

how else would you have liked me to phrase it damn

not surprised given that its such an israeli department

who are the Feldmans?

this is so insane, i can't believe it.. just saw a video about her and her family's links to epstein

and she's the daughter of a billionaire omg?

Deleted: "Guttman scares me legit and I only saw her at a conference like once

Looked up the Feldman btw. Some big name derm at Wake

i'm just gonna say this - there are very powerful ppl in the background that influence things. not unique to derm

I mean she still had to do an RY at Sinai

THIS is the tea im here for

drop her name

she's pretty easy to find, there's another mt sinai derm resident who is also the daughter of a multimillionaire (like 100s) which is wild

Celina Dubin. Just say the god damn name. Stop trying to be mysterious.

imagine applying to mount sinai that year as an innocent little applicant hoping to get in off of just your credentials, and then here you have the daughter of a billionare hedge fund manager who's connected to epstein applying with you.

a lot of people, especially at Sinai, are children/grandchildren of very wealthy people. There are multimillionaires in every class and around 60% of folks don't take out loans. If they aren't super wealthy, they have a parent who is an attending/faculty at Sinai. But also, Guttman don't care unless you do an RY at Sinai.

Honestly, we were all dealt different cards in life, and the only way to get the dream is to punch upward and try your best when you aren't given a full house.

I love being a random regular person that matched at a better program than Sinai

That's what I'm talking about. I know it's been at least a year since you matched, but from one random regular person to another, congrats!

yeah dude i get it, i didn't take out loans and my parents are millionaires sure but in the order of 10-15 million not 100+ million or billionaires enough to influence me going to certain undergrad, med school, residency or meeting people that will put me in the right rooms to get into freaking Sinai Derm

umm, so most people in college don't fit your demographic. I guess the grass is always greener looking at people at higher socioeconomic statuses, but when your parents are millionaires, and not 100mill/billionaires, you still were afforded opportunities that most others didn't have. But also, the best shot at matching at Sinai is being a Sinai student and doing an RY with Guttman, answering her 6am on a weekend phone calls telling you to come in during your RY, hoping she doesn't hate you and she loves you enough that you aren't 1 out of the 3 fellows that don't match and will never match. There are many programs, specifically in NYC, that will not rank you high enough if you are a Guttman/Sinai RY fellow. It's literally why almost no sinai student matches outside of Sinai (except Stanford every couple of years, Einstein sometimes).

why is it that all the hardcore zionist faculty are the meanest ones> tbh if ur a proponent of colonization and genocide maybe u need to be ousted from professional environments idk just a thought

a lot of leadership at derm programs in places like NY are hardcore Zionist, so what do we do about that "

Steve Feldman is an absolute angel and does not belong in this discourse. I highly doubt he even knows this girl or her family> Feldman is a mfin G and he's anti Israel. Never speak bad on my homie ever again