U Miami/Jackson Health System-FL

the system is trickle, gimme dem invites! but seriously i dont know why schools do this, i guess its their way of filtering out even more candidates...<<i guess but then they miss out on some really great applicants that might have gone there. for example, i literally couldnt choose between two schools on those dates, so i just went with the more convenient flight option. Not because i liked one school more than the other....who knows if i would have been a better fit for the other school

man i feel for you, im not saying its right or anything.

I feel for UConn and Maryland internals/rotators. Only given 1 date << can you imagine if you rotated at both, and then had to pick between invites at JHU, UCSF, Northwestern, UC-Davis, UMiami, Mayo-AZ?<<that was me, i had to pick between ucsf, northwestern, mayo AZ, Davis, and hopkins <goals x3

i would love to have those problems

I hate the overlap especially since I have had to pick even though I only have 5 invites. However, with people going to 15+ or 20+ interviews, I'm glad they do this to force a little trickle. << problem is for some of us we already got rejected from these programs, so even if the spots are now open...it won't be to us :(

As someone with far more rejections than invites, we have to accept that those were not for us.

Congrats! Method of contact (Eras, email)?

Email< did regular Miami come out?

Also trickle

< This is frustrating because same day as UCSF, we basically have to choose now

^ what are good scores and good amount of research? I thought I did too but I guess not :( congrats on the interview to the both of you!

don't all programs interview all home applicants? << Apparently not Miami from what I heard, which only takes half. Brutal.

yikes. not too surprised though, doesn't seem like a v nice program in general. x2

damn im sorry

that really, really sucks. However, a place that does that....you deserve better, so screw them! x2

Top tier: UPenn Harvard UCSF NYU Mayo Michigan, Emory, Henry Ford?) and Michigan and Mayo are not top tier. Would add Stanford, Hopkins, and UCLA instead)

would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow

UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly

UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.

No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo

Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5

To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs

MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts

1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt

<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too

<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.

<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.

I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.

name me a state with better Mexican food tho

< I am not surprised that Emory is up there in this ranking. As a west coaster, I was pleasantly surprised and impressed by their work at this year's Society for Investigative Dermatology. Their epi output is phenomenal. <amen

< Yup and these rankings also shed light on some under the radar programs

< Is Miami actually a good program? I heard it is pretty malignant >> heard that too <rotated at Miami and did not see any malignancy, although for a variety of reasons I did not love the program or city

what about the program? <I personally felt like I didn't really fit in and also felt they were heavy on cosmetics. For others I'm sure that would be a plus!

From 2014?

< but likely not that changed. there is an older one in Cutis with similar methodology out there but rankings still fairly similar to this one

Johns Hopkins and Penn are both overdue for interview invites this year. Hopefully, Vanderbilt sends its regular ones out today << Mayo AZ is also pretty overdue << Also, to the neurotics among us, just know that Penn, Vanderbilt, and Johns Hopkins have historically sent out their invitations in batches

Penn's website says by 11/25

<Hopkins and penn - both of these places so far out of my reach it doesn't affect me << Try not to feel this way. I was on 0 for a long time and got 2 interviews at top 10 programs. My app is so regular that I assumed it was a mistake. The point is, you never know and no program is a reach.

<haha, Mt. Sinai practically sends after Christmas, but I like the wishful thinking!

12/6 in 2017, but yes, probs too early.

11/5 was a busy day. Will 11/6 be just as prolific? Stay tuned folks. <Why Mt Sinai? Aren't they historically pretty late? << Because I have a feeling deep in my loins

UMiami most likely won't release dates until they complete their internal interviews.

when are the internal interviews?

I think we should call you sheet dad. There's a dude on the plastics sheet that is now called sheet dad and you are sheet dad. << I am a guy, and I am down to be called dad << thanks sheet daddy

skeet . daddy sheet daddy. Are you dual applying for derm and plastics? << Just derm << looking for a daddy this interview szn, any takers hit me up <<also need daddy I've been a bad grill

<< plastics sheet dad dropping by, nice to see others taking up the mantle

< You know, there is the entirety of the West Coast to consider. We're still in business hours << I don't think it's updated to say we're done, just a running tally (the same row is moved up) << just updated it << 10+ person, can you please press CTRL+Z to not erase the field that was there or use the function to get the past entry back << Thank you for reverting it back to original

UMiami most likely won't release dates until they complete their internal interviews.

when are the internal interviews?

I think we should call you sheet dad. There's a dude on the plastics sheet that is now called sheet dad and you are sheet dad. << I am a guy, and I am down to be called dad << thanks sheet daddy

skeet . daddy sheet daddy. Are you dual applying for derm and plastics? << Just derm << looking for a daddy this interview szn, any takers hit me up <<also need daddy I've been a bad grill

<< plastics sheet dad dropping by, nice to see others taking up the mantle

UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI HAS DIDACTICS AT 7AM EVERY DAY << HF has morning lectures <<LOL someone deleted UCSF being malignant

UCSF is malignant

how are 7am lectures = MALIGNANT? I think people are confusing working hard and dedicated learning with malignant LOL << I don't think anyone is conflating 7AM with malignant. It was a seperate question.

the initial response though spoke of lectures before 8am = malignant, so it can be inferrered the subsequent responses were in the same vein

I've heard that Stanford is very very....NON malignant <uhhhhm i've never heard that before

originally it said not malignant, some foo edited it

resident lurker here FYI UCSF's lectures start at 8 am everyday not 7 am. There is a 7:30 am dermpath session before lecture on Tuesdays.

I would be EXTREMELY angry if I fell through my entire rank list and didn't match. I've known these people for many years, worked with them to get publications, letters of rec, advice, and to know that they ranked someone else they compared me to on paper and 3 hours is fucking unfathomable.

Umm... all of those things your mentioned were almost exclusively to help you so how do they OWE you anything?

On the flip side, this is for a job, not school. If a program is willing to pick someone who they have only met for 1 day, they may know that the familiar candidate is a bad fit for them. Neither party wants to be in that situation

Then just tell me to my face that I am not a good fit rather than guiding me through the process and writing me a LOR.

you'd rather that they dump you and tell you to fend for yourself?< a lot of programs have more applicants than they have spots and if they have at least 3 or 4 spots, they probably don't want to match only their own. So someone's not gonna be matched by their home program

I didn't match, so I know my home program didnt want me

look at MIAMI... they DONT EVEN INTERVIEW their own medical students

Miami's Hunger Games for internals was evil

what happened? x1 -- They don't interview about half of their home students

would also add UTSW https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/157864/practice-management/us-dermatology-residency-program-rankings-based/page/0/1 <<what is the difference between this article and the doximity rankings? Is there more validity to one vs the other? << lol, someone put UCLA in top tier (UCLA isn't even a Department, it's a Division) >> lol UCLA low tier for sure << realistically, probably middle to low, great overall health system but will always have hands tied and no real ability to grow

UCLA is a solid program, strong surgical training, lacks the super complex patients of some more intense programs but it depends on what you are looking for in your training << I don't think anyone's saying it's a bad program, just not a top tier, that's kind of silly

UCLA is the perfect example of a low-to-mid tier program that is nonetheless quite competitive given it's in California. Again, there's often a disconnect between prestige/quality of training and competitiveness. Location, location, location.

No way that Hopkins and UCLA would be top tier over Michigan and Mayo

Mid-tier: OHSU, Iowa, Minnesota, UPMC >> Would probably put MN as low tier? >> Thoughts? Why? >> Minnesota would probably be in same tier as OHSU, Iowa, UPMC. Iowa has great faculty, but I think it does suffer from being in a relatively non-diverse, predominately white, smallish-city in Iowa. Minnesota, OHSU, and UPMC are in more urban environments with at least UPMC and Minnesota having more ethnic / racial diversity, (Portland is super white as well). Also, no one should trust that MDedge nonsense x5

To be fair they tried to make an objective measure. Many of the opinions here leave out some good programs and add in top medical schools that are not top derm programs

MN, Iowa as med-high tier? Would drop UPMC to low tier (just feel like no residents really enjoy it there but maybe that's just me lol)? And Iowa usually as a top 20 program on almost all ranking systems (though you cant always trust these things so who knows). I think its one of those places that suffers in many peoples minds because they have a not-so great med school and its in the mid west, but the derm program is actually extremely well-respected independednt of those facts

1. Penn 2. UCSF 3. NYU 4. Harvard 5. Stanford 6. Northwestern 7. Emory 8. UTSW 9. Hopkins 10. Wash U 11. Mayo 12. Michigan 13. Iowa 14. HF 15. OHSU 16. Colorado 17. Minnesota 18. Utah 19. Cornell 20. Vanderbilt

<-What is this list based on? Its totally inaccurate. Hopkins and Vanderbilt are mid tier programs at best. No Yale? No UW? No Wisconsin? No Miami? No Sinai? Cornell over Columbia? UPMC is definitely mid to top tier. Also, tiers maybe, but I dont understand how you can possibly rank 1 vs. 3 vs. 8 off the cuff << yeah, 1-3 is pretty standard, gets messy with next 5 I was about to post how accurate this list is. Some of the programs listed above are no way in the conversation. You can maybe disagree with Wash U/Cornell to the left tho. I'd agree Vanderbilt too high too

<Yale for sure. x4 . Think that list is pretty accurate for top 20 minus Wash U, Cornell, and Vanderbilt. Would replace with Yale and Columbia. And Cleveland Clinic maybe. <<I question the order of some of these too. Hopkins is not a top 10 (but it is a top 20 probably). I agree that Sinai, miami, Columbia would also be top 20. Vandy should not be on that list and neither should a few others.

<How good are the following programs: UPMC, Hopkins, UCSD, Miami.

I think those are all decent programs (mid-top tier?). I would say that I typically view Hopkins as a mid-tier program (they don't have a lot of diversity in terms of training sites, though Hopkins itself is a great hospital). Miami is typically considered a Top 10 program - but they also are quite disorganized, old facilities, longer hours (Saturday clinics). UPMC takes a lot of MD/PhDs and has great Mohs training, though I never found their program actually attracts people who want to be there. UCSD is solid, somewhat basic-science focused. It's outshined by other programs in California (e.g. Stanford, UCSF, USC) and San Diego has great weather / beaches, though admittedly isn't the most exciting place to live / lacks a lot of arts / culture compared to most bigger cities in the United States.

name me a state with better Mexican food tho

If they can cancel SXSW and Ultra and Tomorrowland (and possibly Coachella is on the docket), the AAD can cancel the annual meeting <-- whoever you are that's up to date on these things, let's go rave together :) << OP of this cell here. I'll bring the glitter sunscreen! <-- oooh...+ bucket hat for the wide brimmed hat combo?

incredibly out of touch. that program is low key malignant see the name and shame

What did it say? Didn't receive - x4 What happened?

They sent out an email an hour before NRMP saying that "UM Frost Dermatology will not be fortunate enough to train all of you talented and wonderful people, but I am confident that we will all be colleagues in years to come." They were trying to be positive but it was very stressful right before the NRMP email... -- Thanks for posting the email. yeah, that is stressful!

It was just so not on the pulse. They should really be ashamed of what they have become<<

He was trying to be nice...dont be dramatic

miami is not low key malignant, they are high key malignant... those pompous asshats don't even interview their own medical students... last year they had a med student match harvard that THEY didn't even interview... x1

I'd like to give a nod to the University of Missouri for the pizza at lunch. Bahn Mi pizza was delicious

Henry Ford for the best snacks. Dried fruit, chocolate covered (dont remember what), and Rx bars

tx

Miami. That Cuban food was so good

I love this town, the people, the food - pork sandwiches - my favorite ... but tonight I'm hungry for something different

UCSFx2 gotta love that sushi and ice cream sandwich combo

Kaiser lunch had bomb build your own bibimbap

TX A&M had chick fil a sandwiches so them for sure

Yale "foods of New Haven" was bomb x 2

The Mexican food at Stanford + the mediterranean food at stanford

Dartmouth pre-fixe farm to table dinner the night before