NYU Grossman School Of Medicine-NY

best program in the country, hands down. Should replace NYU in the top 5 tbh

Good joke! Columbia is the worst program in Manhattan. They have a lot of work to do. Medicare/Medicaid patient population exclusively. <NYMC is worse

I agree that they are top notch, probably not replacing NYU, but absolutely on par with

absolutely NOT on par with

NYU>>>>>>>Columbia.. some people just can't get over the "ivy league" attached to columbia, but NYU is a far more prestigious program

What makes columbia lower in quality of a program? Is the malignancy thing true (q for internals/rotators)

<The Stanford and Harvard posts were lies

I got Harvard and NYU RTM calls x 4 <lol

pretty sure NYU said specifically that they would not be contacting us

They just said that to the scrubs

so you mean when the PD said that to the entire interview day, she decided we were all scrubs? lmao

stanford << disagree. Residents talked more with each other than with applicants during the resident dinner lol -- just goes to show how tight knit and happy of a group they are. (or how little they actually see of each other)

I thought the people at Harvard were fantastic x2.

The Harvard residents are super shady. They have secret hang-outs but dont invite the residents that arent "cool" enough. Serious mean girls shit. Lol. Very clique-y.

Wait where did you hear this? FAKE NEWSSSSS << I didn't "hear" it. I experienced it. If you don't believe me, go confront one of the "popular" residents about it.

LOL love how in the cell to the left Stanford residents are called tight knit and happy for sticking together and Harvard residents are called cliquey

If you feel "left out" by the residency class, maybe you're the weird one

harsh lol

Penn > UCSF > Stanford = Harvard >> all others . (x2 though I did not go to one of these, I have the same order for the other 3, but it varies alot with who you happened to talk to) ^sounds like someone's desperate to go to Harvard/UCSF/Stanford : )

haha I agree with this order, and I am ranking Penn 1. If people are actually trying to alter ranks by these orders, that is kinda sad....if it works that's even more sad lol

UCSF and Penn were my favorites x5 <- damn lol, you guys are very lucky to have interviewed at both

didn't interview at UCSF, but had the other 4 "top 5" programs and agree Penn residents seem closest. I would put NYU up there as well

utsw residents were chill! did not expect that x2

very pleasant surprise. The program moved up on my list based on the people there which I was not expecting

Hopkins residents were so fun and nice! x3

who gives a shit x4

<- i feel like a lot is based on history no? I know at NYU they trained some of the trailblazers in derm (like way way back) and it was also big during the AIDS epidemic -- That's good to know. Tbh, I actually don't know much of anything about derm history, and wasn't aware. So do you think they got their reputation mostly based on years of continuous contributions to the field?

NYU is the top creme de la creme program.

i would cream myself to match any of the top 5 x2 <My mentors have mentioned slightly different lists to me that they consider the top programs (though 3-4 of those always make the list), so it is all subjective. <<< Thanks for the input, good to know that they may not be as static as they seem

< would love to hear your mentors lists

Tufts, Harvard, BU, UCLA, UCSF

LOL <why are 3/5 in Boston? That just doesn't sound right to me.

Penn, NYU, Harvard, UCSF, Stanford (geography/city playing a role, but hoping for Penn) . <<tbh glad I do not have all of these. It would be too hard to choose

in terms of what? clinical vs research vs ... they are very different programs

In terms of whatever matters to you.

Clinically: UCSF, Penn>Harvard>Stanford>NYU

< really? I feel like clinically NYU would be the strongest by far because you're spending 2/3 of your entire residency at the VA+county/public hospital = lots of autonomy. << LOL that person has no idea what they're talking about. Clinically, it's UCSF > NYU > Harvard > Stanford > Penn. Overall reputation is Harvard > Stanford > Penn > UCSF > NYU << lol at these absurd rankings, true delusion

I've heard it's UCSF > Harvard > Stanford > NYU > Penn

Its almost as if the top 5 is interchangable and it really comes down to personal preferences and biases

haha so true x3

Look at last year’s rank sheet. Penn was most popular #1 rank then Stanford out of the top 5.

because everyone definitely writes their ranking and is definitely honest about it too

lol'ed at that gullible person

< there is literally no benefit to faking what you are ranking 1 because that only would dissuade people from also listing that one, which ends up in them possibly ranking where you actually want to go as 1. Also, it's anonymous. It's not each person's specific rank, but a tally of how many people are rankin each program a certain number on their list so there is very little benefit to lying. There is usually a 1/5 yield, so it's actually a good amount of people of the interviewees.

< https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16WyBDd4BhLhqR5F5BWMLRAKtq_Na3d9DHyokLtUg0rA/edit#gid=596104293

< do you mean no academic dermatologists out of those who did Mohs or those who did not?

i heard mayo matched all outside residents this year and none of their residents that applied matched....idk if true or a rumor.

Having had a few interactions with Dr Alam, i wouldnt say he’s overtly arrogant. He is very direct but also has a sense of humor. Not sure how he compares with other mohs attendings in terms of how he treats his fellows though

the comments are true though lol

I find the comments below, especially from the self-identified NYU resident, to be credible. That's something I am glad to be reading now rather than after rank lists are due x2

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so sick of the trash people on this page

I am also getting kind of depressed with this page. It was super helpful during Oct/Nov but now it's just a lot of mean stuff

Look at the edit history, the NYU person posted it 5 times in all the first columns

i believe you get academic half days every other week on certain rotations? (maybe?)

NYU, I don't know what the past interview impressions were talking about, the faculty were very funny/witty and not "stone faced" at all. I wish that we had been able to see Bellevue (I got to see it during medical school interviews, and I do think that it is the crown jewel of NYU). Still, I enjoyed the presentations since all the faculty members came out to give their take on the school and their specialty. Also, UTSW, so many residents came out, program is super strong, PD seems super invested in the program (especially to have stayed the PD for ~30 years), the 2-day interview and the faculty/residents coming out on a Saturday made a strong impression on how much they value the educational aspect of the dermatology department. Derm interviews end up being quite an elaborate production.

agree with NYU, really left a strong impression on me. Another underrated one was Michigan. I thought the interview staff were exceptional and the interviewers had all read my app/had insightful questions

Emory!!!! Just kidding ... UVA was really solid

I'm actually so suprised by Michigan! That goes to show that you take the things said on the internet with a grain of salt. What ever malignancy that was there is definitely in the past. So many great changes have been made and the residents were genuinely happy.

interview day doesn't always equate to what it is actually like to work there x2

hopefully Michigan has changed as people have said since that post a few years back. I have friends who are there for things like ENT and plastics and they're known for having one of the best surgical cultures in the country

UAB! If this program were in a more popular or sexy location it would be a top tier type program. Extremely well-rounded with a big wig chair who advocates like heck for her residents for fellowships, jobs (private or academic). Residents get their fellowships in a very happy collegial atmosphere. Low COL, high QOL, overall awesome!

MCW! residents are incredibly nice, faculty is diverse in training and the program is growing. During the interview, chair is ambitious (he is an incredibly big name) and really trying to seel program. He has already accomplished a lot. Low COL and they really wanted everyone to be there. I also interviewed at UAB, it did not feel top tier. The faculty is incredibly small for it to be a top tier... yeah I was really disappointed by UAB too

MCG having a 100% Mohs match rate was impressive to me given the national averages

over what time frame?

I think is quite new program

Not sure over what time frame but seemed like since the chair has been there. the program was started in 1967 so not exactly new

agree with NYU...definitely solidified itself as #1 program in the country << you're trying too hard with this comment

ok cool thanks for sharing --- same high teens interviews, not a single top 20 program

That actually sucks. Sorry! Make sure to tell them that so they know

That sounds like a bad idea for multiple reasons. You're there to impress them, not make them feel sorry/pity/worried for you. (also, they may start to wonder, "wait, we gave him/her an interview, but why did ranks 5-15 pass him/her over?). Also, you're likely to be a student from Stanford/NYU/Harvard, and at 3 interviews, I'd get nervous and reach out to your medical school mentor and start making calls. I'm from one of those schools, and I definitely know a number of people who matched at their #3 and below.

it’s not pity it’s clear communication. Who ever is saying not to communicate that is wrong.

i have a feeling that you're trying to sabotage this person's chances.

yeah you should never mention that you have a low # of interviews to programs, wtf at whoever said that

Seriously, what could they possibly say? "Hey, Stanford, I only have interviews from two other top schools (I won't say which ones because that would be rude and I want to keep the discussion to US), so I'm in danger of not matching. Would you please rank me to match so I don't have to repeat this process?" Yeah, right.

You obviously wouldn’t say it like that. But I would work in a way to say that your application has a lot of research publication and I only interested in training at an academic center and there are few programs which would satisfy my ultimate career goals and truly align with my passion for x,y,z including (insert Stanford/NYU/whatever) if youre bold you could even say something like “I only have 3 interviews, granted they are at top academic programs and I’m aware that statistically speaking this decreases my chances of matching. That being said dermatology is my passion and if i didnt match i would continue to pursue my research interests and reapply”. God, be creative people. <-- the second part sounds transparently terrible to be honest. the first part is generic (all 2 applicants say something like that when asked "why program X") and doesn't even let on that you only have 3 interviews

OP is probably a student at Harvard, NYU or Stanford so he/she will match somewhere x2

as a student in one of these schools I think you'd be surprised at how many people don't match. I think its partially due to hubris

Gotta get someone reliable and known to make calls ASAP to realistic match spots (mid and lower teir, geographically compatible with application)

The process is crazy. I have top 10 interviews and only 10 total, but other people from my school have more and I know my scores are higher. I know there are multiple favors going in to selecting for interviews but I kind of check off a lot of the other boxes also. I almost think some programs see 270 and think I won’t go there or that I’m maybe not normal.

No, NYU >>> Columbia. would not come to NYU again if I had the option

good, why do u ask?

LOL< OMG im so jelly of you, you actually interviewed at the most sought after program in the universe

Harvard all the way, better research, excellent clinical training, incredible faculty mentorship and alumni network, could go on and on<<then why is NYU ranked higher

good question; i would not place too much emphasis on rankings as they are liable to change and depend on a lot of factors that dont directly impact residents imo

Both are amazing places to train, but Harvard has the edge on research, while NYU has the edge on clinical training. Both of them are great at both things, of course, which is why they're both top programs. Cant go wrong with either, just depends which aspect you want a little more emphasis on.<any thoughts on which program is more amenable to someone who wants to do Mohs in the future?

definitely NOT NYU..

Dude, Harvard is Harvard. Enough said :)

y’all can have Harvard. Unless you have strictly academic goals I wouldn’t say it’s all that.

Idk I feel like the Harvard name is powerful, even if you want to go private. Not sure the average patient on the west coast has heard of NYU, but Harvard is instant cache anywhere <No arguments on the Harvard name, and maybe its my east coast bias showing, but I can't believe west coast people would not have heard of NYU ... <Agreed. NYU is the most applied to private university in the country... pretty sure name recognition/brand awareness is not an issue for them. Plus, anecdotally, as someone from the west coast, everyone I know has heard of the school and generally holds it in high regard.

< congrats! wow, today is a rough day for me <thanks, and I'm sorry :(

trickles? external invites? < any external rotators hear back yet?

dates? x2 <1/9, 1/30

Email or ERAS? <ERAS

You're good either way and very few people are looking at your clothes. Focus on the food, our day's food was amazing! Also, people dress snappishly in NY anyway

<awesome. for those of you who attended the first pre-interview dinner, anyone remember what the residents were wearing?

As the responder, RELAX, seriously, if you're really this wound up about something so minor (and something that's specified on the invite), I can tell you that the pre-interview isn't when you'll be having problems.

i hear you